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We will win.

We already have the bill of rights. Creating new laws won't help us. It's too late for that. Maybe repealing some laws and executive orders might help... but what we're seeing is the symptom of something bigger than governments.

We need to see the cage and step out of it. Educating ourselves and honing our common sense will help us. Becoming self sufficient will help us.



There's still plenty of time to pass laws. Why would there be a time limit?


Because nobody takes the law seriously anymore. Not the cops, not the bankers, not the president, not congressmen, not the underprivileged public, not the entrepreneurs. The judges can't even agree on what is constitutional. The illegitimate wars drag on, since before 9/11.

Because the way the bill of rights is treated now is farcical.


@jaekwon

You sound frustrated, as a lot of people are these days. Is it helping to be reactive to all of the things you mentioned? What if you instead were proactive, and defined a new law & helped promote it?

For instance, you mentioned illegal wars. What if we created a new law, that required a popular vote, yearly, to continue any war? That would be awesome, right? :)

Let's write some good laws, and get them passed.


>> You sound frustrated, as a lot of people are these days

You're still in the denial stage. I've been there. You've got a long ways to go. Keep reading about recent history. Next you'll get depressed...

I'm actually quite happy nowadays. Every day is a day full of purpose. I'm not reactive, I'm proactive. I see the patterns and I know what's coming. I know what needs to be done.

I agree with Lessig on one point and one point alone. Code is law.

Not saying we shouldn't try the traditional approach, though. Here's some good news:

- http://www.reddit.com/r/restorethefourth/comments/1htaqf/the...


>> You're still in the denial stage. I've been there. You've got a long ways to go. Keep reading about recent history. Next you'll get depressed...

I'm sorry to hear you are dealing with depression.

>> I'm actually quite happy nowadays. Every day is a day full of purpose. I'm not reactive, I'm proactive.

Oh, well that's good.


And watch the government and any one with enough money to sway a court roll over them and do what they want anyway?

Now that would be frustrating.




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