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Not judging anyone’s kinks but when there are so many major issues to solve this is what is being focused on? Maybe that’s the point


This is the Lords to coming up with stuff to justify the OSA and further tighten the screws on the internet. It's open season. What it will result in is all porn being watched via VPN, and us turning into Russia/China, where the State bans any source of information outwith its absolute control.

Amendment 297: "Pornographic images of sex between relatives"

Amendment 298: "Pornographic content: online harmful content"

Amendment 299: "Amendment of possession of extreme pornographic images provision to cover incest"

Amendment 300: "Pornographic content: duty to verify age"

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/790...

Who moved these amendments?

BARONESS LEVITT: principal legal advisor to the director of public prosecutions from 2009 to 2014, working under Keir Starmer

BARONESS BERTIN: commissioned by the Government to lead an independent review into the regulation of online pornography

BARONESS KIDRON: an advocate for children's rights in the digital world

BARONESS BENJAMIN: WTF it's Floella Benjamin from my childhood. So this is what she's doing nowadays?


This is just the tip of the slippery slope of starting to ban ‘nonconforming’ adult content and a later pivot to starting to attempt to ban LGBTQ+ pornography under similar bullshit morality clauses.


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No, as a furry, I believe it’s fursecution.


Not purrsecution?


This depends on the courts and purrisdictions, to be honest. Some days I wonder if it’s one big old kangaroo court the way things are going in this dog-eat-dog world.


M'lady


There seem to be two sides to politics:

1) Deciding the really important issues. This occurs with minimal public involvement, and that always to the overt reticence of the ruling class. "Expert" voices are projected downward to the masses, pronouncing authoritatively both about objective truth and characterizing the subjective preferences of the masses.

2) What are often called "wedge issues", or more recently "culture war" issues. These issues are often sensational by nature, and further sensationalized by the media to evidently encourage public participation in the discourse. Expert voices continue to guide the conversation along an established Overton window, but without making the public feel unqualified to give their opinion, just the opposite.

Is this what democracy is supposed to resemble? The hoi polloi fighting amongst themselves over what genres of pornography are acceptable, while the leaders run off to back rooms to make global-reach decisions about war, macroeconomics, and the shape of our society to come?

I just can't imagine a functional democracy where the main discussion or topic of focus for any serious person, at this time, is incest porn.


Political debate suffers from Sayre's law: "In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." Most people simply aren't knowledgeable enough to have an informed opinion on truly important issues.

This is, by the way, a fundamental limitation of democracies, and why we tend to establish republics instead. It's not realistic to expect people to become informed about geopolitics, and economics, and education, and ciminal justice, and 100 other things, before casting a vote. So rather than vote on these things directly, we elect people whose job it is to know about these things and/or consult with experts who do.


War with Iran? Who can really say if that's right or wrong, we don't have all the info, I'm sure they're doing what's best for the nation.

A MtF person in a restroom? We cannot abide this, we must pass laws banning this throughout the nation, to end this travesty and the harm it is causing everyone.


Just once I want the proponents of anti-trans measures to say where trans men should go to the bathroom. You know they would freak the fuck out if they saw a bearded muscular dude washing his hands next to their daughter.


Yeah, most of the people who are so incensed about trans people in the bathroom have probably been in a bathroom with a trans person and were none the wiser.


The female bathroom, obviously.

It's weird how people are so invested in invading bathroom spaces of the opposite sex. It's like they have no concept of boundaries.


My favorite part about this reply is how they felt this needed to be said so badly and added to the conversation that they created a new account to do so, thus proving the point originally raised.


I agree. More and more of day to day politics is devolving into "anime filler arc" episodes as real issues seem to be decided elsewhere.

That said the last time British people voted on a serious issue they voted for Brexit so maybe these diversions are justified.


Yeah, I remember thinking to myself "I wish the US had a referendum system like the UK", then I looked it up and found out that the UK has only ever had 3 national referendums, only 2 in the 21st century, and one of those was Brexit.

So yeah... Congress is really useless sometimes, but would the general public really be better at legislating important issues? Meh.


>while the leaders run off to back rooms to make global-reach decisions about war, macroeconomics, and the shape of our society to come?

Don't forget abusing children


Actually I think that's the crux of it. After repeatedly delaying, dismissing, and dodging they were forced to arrest one of their own for his sex crimes. Now they are making more sex crimes to arrest common people for, because it cannot be the case that only the rich elites are arrested for their sex crimes. Normal people aren't involved in child sex rings at remote islands, so step porn it is.


Incest is not cool for a variety of reasons, not just genetic.


Is step-siblings sex incest? It may be disgraceful but I personally don’t see it as such, i.e. not as incest.


Yes, it is incest due to affinity and familial relationships not just genes.


> not just genes.

For me it would be just genes.

Was it incest when the people who grew up in the kibbutz together ended up marrying each other? (and not blood-related, to be sure). Because they had affinity and the kibbutz community was a lot more family-like than many of today's modern families.


Probably depends on the size but kibbutzim appear to function like villages used to. (But they have changed their position on childrearing a lot.)

Today's modern families and villages are pretty messed up, and promoting the idea that "close" people (as we could call them) should become sexually involved creates additional problems.


We aren't talking incest, we are talking depictions of incest in the same way as your favourite shows probably depict murder or violence.


> we are talking depictions of incest

We aren't talking about depictions of incest either. There is no relation between step-siblings/parents/etc. And in these videos, every single person is unrelated to every other person even in the depictions. The step-child has both a step-mom and step-dad... Where I come from, that would be an adoption? I would guess the next form of these videos will be adoption porn.


Well ok there are a variety of issues going on.

I assumed it was 'step' relative inorder to stop it being incest, and that it's basically a wink to the audience without changing the 'script'. Personally I don't think changing the title is morally relevant so it doesn't matter to me what precise relation the script and title uses.

Which takes us back to depiction, they're all actors so what ever the laws are, it doesn't matter. Or shouldn't.


Incest isn't just about your genes. It's pretty dubious to get sexually involved with your adopted children if they are old enough.

The "step" thing is a get out clause. In the Netherlands, I've seen stuff advertised which doesn't even bother with that.


If you're arguing from a moral perspective it is subjective. You can also morally object to people drinking coffee.

Adult incest is opposed mainly due to genetic risks in offspring and blood relation issues.

Otherwise, consenting adults should be free to do as they please.

If the "stepdad" and "stepdaughter" met as strangers, you wouldn’t care.


You think incest is about inbreeding. It isn't just that. If you take that line to its logical extreme, then that means that it is okay if contraception is used or if same sex relations are involved.

I don't think it's healthy for fathers and adult sons to be having sex with each other, for example. Or that any of this becomes okay when a daughter turns eighteen (or whatever it is in your jurisdiction) and her father wears a condom. That is psychologically and socially unhealthy. Nothing to do with inbreeding.

If a school teacher repeatedly had sex with pupils a day after they left school (and were legal adults), that would raise numerous ethical issues. Consent isn't some kind of carte blanche or moral justification.


But no one is talking about actual incest, they are talking about a cheap storyline in a stupid online video made by consenting adults pretending (and actually) not related by blood.

If you have a moral objection to the content of the video, don't watch it, if you don't want to let people consume media that has objectionable themes, let's ban all violence as well, not just in porn, but movies, music, literature. No more Jason Statham, no more Daniel Craig, no more Dwayne 'the Rock' Johnson, no more Marky Mark, no more Eminem, no more Homer (sex and violence), no more The Bible (sex, incest, violence, rape, genocide, polygamy, slavery, child sacrifice).

"Step-cest" - a term I am sure has existed before, but I'm claiming it now, is make believe. And I'd bet 90+% of the watchers have it on mute.


there is no biological incest between step relatives

this lack of biological relation is what facilitates the desire in the first place, and then comes the taboo


I am not closely related to my god parents and god children, but it would be wrong for me to get involved with either.

Incest isn't just "biological" as you put it, it is a matter of your relation to other people.




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