Every single person who has bought the phishing kit claims the seller is a scammer. Krebs’s article is based entirely on the sellers description of the (imaginary) product, rather than actual observation of the phishing kit in the wild.
Krebs has access to these forums, he could’ve checked this story out in less than 3 minutes but did not.
Even if Krebs wasn’t a subject matter expert, it’s still inexcusable that he didn’t do the most basic work here. You don’t need to frequent underground runet forums to know that a journalist should be able to verify the stories he puts out.
I think it’s also particularly telling that he didn’t bother to source reasonable quality screenshots for the story, which he would have been able to do had he ever witnessed this phishing kit working.
> Krebs’s article is based entirely on the sellers description of the (imaginary) product, rather than actual observation
I noticed. While researching I had a feeling of "is this just makeup on a pig?". Anyone can make pretty graphics or make claims. I tried reading a few selling points and I was weary.
One claimed to handle a MFA token handover and then somehow got access to the token and they could proxy it for you? The user types in the MFA token, they get the token. I cant figure out how they would bypass all browser protections to pass on the highly-secured token via a proxy. I've been online for 25 years, I understand on a deep level on the internet works and the web and what is happening in this situation, as I'm sure most here are.
Without a 0day, this just doesn't make sense. But this is pretty technical, and unless you hang out here then the above sounds perfectly reasonable but to us sounds like bullshit.
> he didn’t bother to source reasonable quality screenshots for the story
Also noted. Quickly found better quality versions myself with a quick search.
This is so odd. I tried to verify your claim and I give up. It might be but I really hate how information is becoming like this. There is other reporting out there on "Starkiller" (the phishing kit in kerbs most recent post) and I can find other articles on it, but sources seem to be circular. The source mentions Jinkusu forums, which do seem to be real, but any links I find aren't loading for me and still no conclusive findings of Starkiller.
These forums are mostly private, but Krebs certainly has access to them. There can really be no excuse for how he handled this.
There are multiple posts by people in different places claiming to have bought this phishing kit, and then being delivered totally non-functional vibecoded garbage. The vibecoded garbage is not the advertised product though, as the author never managed to get the AI to finish his project.
Krebs lack any sort of real credibility. He's pushing out slop with a govern-mentalist propaganda. Tech journalists are the worst form to gather any actual information.
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From the main article, I2P has 55,000 computers, the botnet tried to add 700,000 infected routers to I2P to use it as a backup command-and-control system.
That's an interesting stress test for I2P. They should try to fix that, the protocol should be resilient to such an event. Even if there are 10x more bad nodes than good nodes (assuming they were noncompliant I2P actors based on that thread) the good nodes should still be able to find each other and continue working. To be fair spam will always be a thorny problem in completely decentralized protocols.
> Even if there are 10x more bad nodes than good nodes [...] the good nodes should still be able to find each other
What network, distributed or decentralized, can survive such an event? Most of the protocols break down once you hit some N% threshold of the network being bad nodes, asking it to survive 1000%+ bad nodes when others usually is something like "When at least half the nodes are good". Are there existing decentralized/distributed protocols that would survive a 1000% attack of bad nodes?
No. They should not try to survive such attacks. The best defense to a temporary attack is often to pull the plug. Better than than potentially expose users. When there are 10x as many bad nodes as good, the base protection of any anonymity network is likely compromised. Shut down, survive, and return once the attacker has moved on.
This is why Tor is centralized, so that they can take action like cutting out malicious nodes if needed. It’s decentralized in the sense that anyone can participate by default.
While anyone can run a Tor node and register it as available, the tags that Tor relays get assigned and the list of relays is controlled by 9 consensus servers[1] that are run by different members the Tor project (in different countries). They can thus easily block nodes.
It's 10, not 9. And there are severe problems with having a total of 10 DA be the essential source of truth for whole network. It would be trivial to DDoS the DAs and bring down the Tor network or at the very least, disrupt it: https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.10755.
It's the only complaint I have of the current state of Tor. Anyone should be able to run directory authority, regardless if you trust the operator or not (same as normal relays).
Anyone can. The DA code is open source and is used whenever you run a testnet. You can also run a DA on the mainnet - how do you think the 10 primary DAs exist? They're not 10 computers owned by a single organization - they're 10 mutually trusting individuals. However, most of the network won't trust you.
That's why the Web of Trust, or classic GNUPG key signing parties are a forgotten/ignored must have. Anyone can change and go rouge of course, but it's statistically less likely.
It doesn't work for I2P due to its design, but for things like Nostr, it works well. Essentially, the goal is to build up a list of "known" reliable relays over time, while simultaneously blacklisting anyone who joins and proves to be unreliable relying on the statistic that collaborative individuals outnumber hostile ones in any sufficiently large cohort.
Of course, it's far from being 100% effective, but it mitigates the issue significantly.
I guess "predictably" is valid but what actually went wrong? After going through multiple sources I can't tell if the botnet nodes were breaking the protocol on purpose, breaking the protocol on accident, or correct implementations that nevertheless overwhelmed something.
As I understand they weren't building tunnels, so every time a legit client wanted to it has to wade through all the bad nodes to find a good one, so everything slowed right down. I was building at about 3% success rate during the issue which enables general eepsite browsing but torrenting was essentially dead
> Why does i2p (per the article) expect state sponsored attacks every February?
Because The Invisible Internet Project (I2P) allows government dissidents to communicate without the government oversight. Censorship-resistant, peer-to-peer communication
> Where are those forming from, what does the regularity achieve?
At least PR China, Iran, Oman, Qatar, and Kuwait. censor communication between dissidents.
> How come the operators of giant (I’m assuming illegal) botnets are available to voice their train of thought in discord?
How would you identify someone as 'operators of giant botnets' before they identified themselves as 'operators of giant botnets'?
Likely it's just a coincidence — there were other Sybil attacks that are not in February too, so the chance that you'd get 3 in Feb isn't all that low.
That’s a great question… Currently we’re in the main Chinese holiday period with the Lunar New Year/Spring Festival/Chinese New Year, so perhaps people traveling back home from foreign lands might use the service more during this time?
I know no one using this in China. And people who can afford to travel (and have visa and passport) will have foreign sim/phone. The timing is just a coincidence
Many state bodies involved in adversarial action have dedicated budgets for offensive cyber-warfare, credential thefts, supply chain compromises and disinformation. If they haven't used all of their budget by the end of the budget period, they'll be allocated a smaller budget for the next budget period.
I mean this is a common pattern in many large organizations, governmental and non, if you didn't use your budget it means we can save money, yayyyy! I hadn't really considered it would apply to state-backed hacking but makes sense.
Not the attacks themselves, I would expect that kind or sabotage that actively provokes negative outcomes in people’s lives to have a more respectful/competent reasoning behind than “meh there’s a few leftovers and we had to do something”
> The I2P development team responded by shipping version 2.11.0 just six days after the attack began.
Not wanting to be overly critical, but any net-infrastructure project kind of has to keep bot-attacks in mind and other attack vectors, in the initial design stage already. Any state-actor (and other actors, though I would assume it is often a state financing the bot network behind-the-scene) can become potentially hostile.
I didn’t really understand the link between Alice and Bob until I saw a green floaty dot go through a pile of spaghetti with the word compromise beneath it.
Also rewriting i2pd in Go would be the sanest step. From Java to Go is not a big challenge and you gain even more portability. Just look at Yggdrasil on how these people created meshnets running even under Android and cheap i386 netbooks.
Thus, something like this in Go should be the norm. The GC it's ideal for this, it comes with batteries charged for networking and it can be for sure be made compatible with stuff like NNCP like nothing.
It wouldn't run many times slower than i2pd in C++, it should be perfectly bearable.
This article (with high slop vibes) and another article on their site (linked in the comments) seem to suggest that post quantum encryption mitigated the Sybil attack, without explanation. I fail to understand how the two are even related.
> The operators admitted on Discord they accidentally disrupted I2P while attempting to use the network as backup command-and-control infrastructure ...
This is crazy to me. Discord is letting literal criminals use it's corporate services in full view to commit crimes?
There's servers where they just hang out, but which themselves are legitimate. Cybersecurity related ones etc. You can ban them and they'll just switch to another account within a minute. Occasionally discord or a server owner does, but everyone knows its pointless. There's probably other servers that are mostly used by cybercriminals, maybe command-and-control backups, and security researchers may stumble upon these when taking some malware apart, join them, and end up getting in contact with the owner.
In general I don't think law enforcement wants discord to take these down or ban them. These guys would have no problem to just make some IRC servers or whatever to hang out on instead, which would be much harder to surveil for law enforcement - compared to discord just forwarding them everything said by those accounts and on those servers.
Discord has a lot of terrible servers. This is one of the reasons they were not trusted when they came out and wanted to do identity verification. They already have a lot of information yet fail to do meaningful enforcement at scale.
Only a couple years ago the outrage was that Discord was too eagerly banning servers and users.
I know several people whose Discord accounts were banned because they participated in a server that later had some talk of illegal activities in one of the channels. There are similar stories all over Reddit.
If a Walmart has ~100 people in it and wants to get rid of 4 shoplifters but really sucks at selecting them well then the likely result is 4 normal people are very upset while all of the shoplifters are still there.
In the same scenario, even if Walmart is right about who they ejected 75% of the time then they still have ~1 shoplifter remaining and ~1 very upset person.
Even in an ideal world where Walmart is right about ejection 100% of the time it doesn't mean they start receiving 0 new shoplifters either, it just means the number of people wrongly made upset is 0.
Discord's problem (on both ends) lies in lack of depth in investigating bans. It takes resources to review when someone shouldn't be banned and it takes resources to make sure you ban everybody. Putting too low of resources into banning just means that both sides of the scale manage to get tipped in the wring direction at the same time.
Why wouldn't they? There are Discord servers about anything you can imagine and also what you can't or don't want to image. As long as they don't start disrupting their infra Discord couldn't care less.
Also, how would you even go about classifying them as botnet operators?
The official router implementation is Java. i2pd is an alternative written in C++.
Once established communication can transparently be processed through a socks proxy, or integration with SAM or similar https://i2p.net/en/docs/api/samv3/
Is there a shittier summary anywhere, please? Or did the author reached the peak of enshittification?
Honestly, did the bot implementation have bugs or was it a proper implementation that crashed the network due to sheer numbers?
Also, how does changing the encryption standard affect anything if the bots tried to integrate correctly with the network?
Is the problem "fixed" or is it not? Elsewhere I found large number if botnet devs got pissed off with this botnet operator and 600k nodes went offline. Might this have much more to do with the situation getting better than simply changing encryption?
Also, was there any suggestion a quantum breaking attack was attempted? No. So why put the emphasis on "post quantum" in this article?
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