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FBI agents show up at a few dozen major datacenters with bolt cutters?

Half the internet goes down by accident when AWS or Cloudflare have a big issue every few years.



Yes it would not be hard to take down a few data centers or services (just seize their domain) but that’s not remotely close to completely turning off the Internet. There are millions of servers on the U.S. Internet outside of major data centers.

We also run tons of crucial stuff over commercial links thanks to encryption. Taking Internet trunks offline would disrupt most domestic functions of government, for example.


> There are millions of servers on the U.S. Internet outside of major data centers.

And they largely rely on a surprisingly centralized infrastructure to function.

> Taking Internet trunks offline would disrupt most domestic functions of government, for example.

Sure, but in the sort of scenario you're considering "take the Internet down", that has already occurred.


If the government has already been disrupted, then who is taking down the Internet?

No, the goal of “take down the Internet” is to degrade the organizing of protestors / agitators / insurgents, while preserving the ability of government to organize against them. It only works if the government has a separate sufficient infrastructure, or completely controls routing on shared infrastructure. Neither of those are true in the U.S.

To pick just one recent newsworthy example, the federal government does not have a way to deny Signal messaging to their opponents, while preserving their own use of it.


> If the government has already been disrupted, then who is taking down the Internet?

A disrupted regime can still be a dangerous regime. The Islamic State largely couldn't govern, but they could certainly get organized enough to wreck shit.

> It only works if the government has a separate sufficient infrastructure, or completely controls routing on shared infrastructure. Neither of those are true in the U.S.

Maybe it's hopelessly optimistic of me, but I like to think the giant organization that includes FEMA has some plans for what to do if the internet isn't available.

> To pick just one recent newsworthy example, the federal government does not have a way to deny Signal messaging to their opponents, while preserving their own use of it.

But could they survive without it? Probably. The protocol is open source.


The "internet" is different things to different people. For the masses: if you take down the datacenters - or more easily coerce the leadership of the magnificent 7 you effectively turn of the internet for most people




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