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I personally don't care about immigration. I have yet ever to be negatively affected by it, and have tended to find immigrants more pleasant than my own citizens. I'm more worried about our aging, obsese, immobile populations who arent breeding, and need 3-to-1 worker ratios to support, that we cannot provide. I am, personally, relatively open borders -- for at least that reason. I am more motivated by welfare demands and geopolitics, both of which benefit from larger active populations in our borders.

However, what I want doesn't really matter. It's a democracy, and half of a country will not be ignored. You either listen and find some way to give them what they want in the least objectionable way; or they will take what they want, and take revenge on you for your obstinacy. They will do to you what you insist on doing to them: not listening to you at all as they enact the most extreme form of policies which they agree with.

You speak as if your views express those of a powerful majority who will impose them on your detractors. This a dangerous power fantasy. The castle has been ransacked, the draw bridge is down, and you've no army left.

You either draw up terms of surrender, or they will be drawn up for you.



> The castle has been ransacked, the draw bridge is down, and you've no army left.

Well, no, not that either. You're making the same mistake from the other side. The side you say has "no army left" also is half the country. And that half of a country will not be ignored either.

Both sides demand to be listened to, but neither side is willing to compromise or to admit defeat, even temporarily.

So I expect that power will continue to swap back and forth, that when in power both sides will do their best to implement their plans, and when they are out of power they will suffer the other side's vengeance for their obstinacy. I don't see it improving soon. I suspect we'll see at least another two election cycles of this viciousness.


Maybe. Certainly if detractors go to excess then they'll breed resentment from the supporters, and round and round.

At the moment though, i think there's lots of people speaking as if it were 2022 and all of that ammunition has now been expended and the stores are bare




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