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Seems quite off for Seattle at least. They put housing costs for 1 adult 0 children at ~$18000, which last I checked barely covers rent for a studio, but no other housing-related expenses (like... water/sewer/electric, which isn't cheap here either).

The childcare costs seem a little suspect too.

Still a cool idea.



First off, I see $38,817 not $18k. Where did you get that?

Second, this is for the whole Seattle/Tacoma area. This isn’t living in central Seattle.

Finally, I found it to be generous from my personal experience. My partner and I were able to live in Seattle for considerably less than $60k per year this gives for two people. We had a perfectly happy, frugal, life at around $36k.


> We had a perfectly happy, frugal, life at around $36k.

There's a tendency for people to think that anyone not living in a house with a white picket fence in Queen Anne must be insufferable.

It seems like there's a large group of people that is simply miserable if they don't have as much as others - regardless of if that thing is going to actually bring them any joy or not.

It seems like half my friends are killing themselves to buy a boat - and they don't even go out boating more than a couple times a year. I'll never get it.


It's an interest effect indeed: social poverty.

As a kid in the 80s we owned close to nothing. But nobody did and we just made the best of it. I never felt poor because this simply was the living standard of the time and our objective needs were met.

It seems since then we simply invented a whole lot of extra "needs", which really are "wants".


But if you're not in SLU, is it really living?


It's also important to remember that it includes the neighborhoods you may not be so excited to live in where rents are going to be cheaper, driving down the average. I live in Chicago, my "living wage" is like $85,000/yr for a single guy with no kids, but my area also has a median rent of >$2000 and I need a 2nd bedroom to use as an office.

This stuff is so general as to be basically worthless beyond a comparison between areas, not as a datapoint to use when calculating the cost of living somewhere.


> First off, I see $38,817 not $18k. Where did you get that?

https://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/42660

> Typical Expenses > > 1 Adult > > Housing > > $18,388

I'm talking about just the housing, it looks like the number you're talking about is total expenses.

> Second, this is for the whole Seattle/Tacoma area. This isn’t living in central Seattle.

Okay that makes more sense. You can definitely get studios for $1.5k with utilities in e.g. Renton or Kent.


That clears it up.

$1.5k is actually really high. The median rent according to Zillow, for just Seattle, is $2.3k and that’s all sizes of apartments.

I’m suspicious of the claim here that this is minimal living costs, not closer to median cost.


It looks like it's 40th percentile, which for the whole metro region, yea $1.5k for a studio makes sense even after you add in utilities. So much closer to median cost.

$1.5k with $100-$200 of utilities, renters insurance, etc in Seattle proper gets a little more difficult to find. You could probably do it up north past greenwood, over in west seattle, or similar. If you know how to dodge the craigslist scams haha.


40th percentile: interesting! Thanks for digging that up.

I guess ideologically I don’t think “living wage” corresponds to 40th percentile


I'm curious about this. How many years ago was this, and would you be willing to divulge the general vicinity of the neighbourhood you rented or lived in?


The results for 2 people definitely seemed more realistic (childcare notwithstanding)


> barely covers rent for a studio

Yes, that's "living", nothing more. A home. It even says in the technical documentation, "We assumed that a one adult family would rent a single occupancy unit (zero bedrooms) for an individual adult household"

I can't account for your thoughts on utilities, the site says the housing includes them, but perhaps there's room to improve the data.


As sibling commenter pointed out, typing "Seattle" doesn't yield results for Seattle, but rather the whole Seattle/Tacoma metro area, which includes several places that you can get a $1500 studio plus utilities in.


Ah yes, that can be deceptive. Maybe some people would want to live in Tacoma and commute to Seattle to work, or WFH.


I checked for Bellingham, which is where I most recently lived in WA -- where it suggests two adults could get by on less than $1000/mo. in rent. Quite unlikely. Ten years ago, my rent for a 400 sq. ft. studio apartment in Bellingham was $850/mo. It's more like $1200/mo now. And that's assuming it's reasonable to expect two adults to share 400 sq. ft.




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