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This seems to be much closer to a general-purpose computer than any other smartphone I've seen.

For anyone not clicking through to the article, here is the feature list:

Secure supply chain centered on made in the USA electronics at Purism’s facility located in the USA

Device assembled in the USA

Publicly available schematics

The Liberm 5 USA is designed for security and privacy rather than for consumerism

Hardware isolation of components

Bootable from SD card

Removable radio modules

Replaceable lithium battery

Secure cryptographic removable smart card

Hardware kill switches put the product owner in full control over device

Private and secure operating system, PureOS

PureOS is fully open source and auditable for better security and privacy

No intrusive mystery proprietary code supporting surveillance and data mining apps or technologies

PureOS supports private and secure apps developed with fully auditable source code

Purism supports decentralized application developers centered on providing secure apps

Security and privacy protection by default

Librem 5 USA is supported by secure and private cellular service provided by Librem AweSIM

Purism offers anti-interdiction services to ensure devices are not altered in transit

Librem 5 USA supports true convergence with PC apps using a lapdock or mouse, keyboard, and monitor



Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated?

Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? I’m guessing that the each of the separate components are cryptographically paired so that third parties can’t replace the modem or touchscreen (for example).


> Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are?

https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/

> Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated?

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...


This wiki is out of date. It has lots of [comparisons to the PinePhone](https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...), but none regarding the PinePhone Pro.

The Pro has a much better hardware situation than the original PinePhone.


AFAIK PinePhone Pro is still far from being a daily-driver-ready, so a comparison with it is almost irrelevant. It has no paid developers, so I don't expect it to be ready very soon.


This is a bad take.

Pine has a far more vibrant and treaded software ecosystem than Librem[0] at this point and many or most of the userland UI is using Purism's Phosh launcher anyway. Hell, if you want, you can build PureOS for the PinePhone too [1].

Pine has more real users with real devices and possibly more developers too since it's more Bazaar and less Cathedral in its approach to development.

You can have preferences, but this just reads like sour grapes.

0: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release...

1: https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b78371...


It's pretty clear that you have never seen these devices next to each other - and that you never attempted to actually use the thing you posted instructions for.

There's a huge difference in maturity between PinePhone/Librem 5 and PinePhone Pro.


Ah, bummer.

Thanks for the links.


For me, the appeal of a Librem phone is less about security and more about ability to use the phone freely, e.g. filesystem access, ability to install my own software, and developing right on the device.




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