Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin
Don't Move to Estonia (medium.com/the-expat-chronicles)
20 points by simonebrunozzi on Sept 7, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments


Alternative title:

> Don't expect that moving somewhere else will fix your personal problems


Agreed. It sounds like the writer was lonely prior, moved to a new country for some reason, and complained about loneliness.

This isn't a dig at the author, though. I've moved all over the US, and my complaints in most cities have to do with things being different than I was accustomed to, rather than strictly worse. And that's pretty close to what the article goes through.

I guess I was in search of some dream location, and finally realized such a thing doesn't exist. The grass always seems greener, as they say. But some stubborn folks like us have to learn the hard way.


As my dad liked to say:

Q: "What are the people like around here?" A: "What were the people like where you came from?"


Yet another of those I went somewhere else and it wasn't the paradise I expected it to be stories. Maybe the problem(s) lie not with the place, but with the person.

I know people who've fitted in very well in a new place and new culture. It took time and effort, but for them it was worth it. And I know others who couldn't or wouldn't adapt or try to adapt. They constantly whined about how it wasn't like wherever they came from.

Just because you have a bad experience doesn't mean that others will have the same experience.


All of it is true, but the loneliness problem is at least partially caused by the poster personality.

We do use "Hi, Bye, Thank You, etc." daily but I'd say that we find participation in hollow US-centric keep-smiling or in overboard politeness distasteful. But we aren't rude on national level, only keeping quiet if there is nothing to say. Blabbing to keep someone comfortable is not a virtue we are known for. On the other hand is comfortable silence in sauna between my friend and me, but you don't get there overnight.

Winter is as bad as described, we even have a movie "November" based on novel "Rehepapp ehk November". The plot is of no importance, but you should know that the opening chapter sets stage and mood by describing poor villagers in rain, slogging in mud up to their ankles. In November, no less. It is a blessing when snow comes and really sets in December, as the mud is over and darkness slightly relieved. It gets much colder that -10C occasionally, sometimes for weeks on end.

I think poster hit the nail in the head with "Estonians, and the rest". At least most of the older people take this approach. There is of course the question who is Estonian or considered Estonian by natives. You won't be considered as Estonian overnight, that is for sure, but I'd say that any light-skinned person can get there... except for the language. Estonian language is difficult and you won't be considered as one without. I guess the rassistic note is clear but I am not going to lie to make you or myself comfortable. I don't know any dark-skinned person who is considered Estonian.


Can't relate at all. We spent 3 months in Tallinn, October 2020 till early December (yep, mid-pandemic). Found people to be friendly and everything to to be to a fairly high standard. eshopwedrop[0] makes it easy to buy off Amazon (this could be better of course).

We got a private office for 2 of the 3 months for a reasonable amount (the first little bit was quarantine).

Ended up having quite a bit of healthcare in Estonia, and wrote about it[1]. TLDR of this is:

- Collapsed at Sauna, ambulance to hospital. Great care.

- Minor surgery to remove a Cyst (at Confido)

- Dental work

- Experimenting with Oxygen Therapy

- Femtolasik

All to a very high standard.

Aside from that, I'm an e-resident and run an Estonian company, and I've been loving the ecosystem and services.

[0]: https://www.eshopwedrop.com/

[1]: https://vertis.io/2020/12/21/healthcare-in-estonia-for-digit...


If he is surprised that Estonians don't talk much you can just imagine what would be his reaction if he moved to Finland.


Do not move to rural Central Europe (e.g. rural Brandenburg). Your good character and nice personality will not help it.


You should have a better experience in Portugal. I moved here from the UK 5 years ago and have never looked back. It is very easy to meet people here, in the huge vibrant community of expats from the US Brazil and Europe. Most of them are very interesting, friendly and successful.


Where in Portugal? Lisbon, Porto, or else?


> You’re Not Well Considered

Yes, it's unfortunate, but people fall into different status buckets, and this differs by country (amongst other things).

When moving countries, it's worth considering which status bucket you might be seen as.


Disturbingly dog-whistley with:

> And their recent communist path ensures against any socialist/woke revolution for at least the next 20 years.

Comparing the current political climate in Estonia when they actively have a Soviet past is a ridiculous statement; there's no valid comparison


The title should be "Don't move to Tallinn".

Learn some Estonian and spend time in the smaller towns and cities.

And yes, Estonian customer service is often short and to the point. It's not necessarily an expression of rudeness.


> And their recent communist path ensures against any socialist/woke revolution for at least the next 20 years.

I think I have an idea why he had problems finding friends.


Funny post. Never been to Estonia, but Latvia felt quite normal compared to what he described, made lots of friends there. Lithuania, too, actually.


Lithuania is the most violent country in the EU. Most of it is violence against women and domestic violence. I suspect they drink a lot and take it on the women.


sounds like very much like Canada


[flagged]


We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political/ideological battle and breaking the site guidelines repeatedly.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: