I own a Model 3 and love it. But you're 100% right: the "full self driving" claim Musk/Tesla has been making for years is bizarre. I live in a major city and have never had a trip using FSD where I didn't have to take control multiple times. At times, updates seem to make it get worse. Simple example, on a highway, it can't even keep the car in the middle of the lane through moderate curves. It almost always drifts to the outside, sometimes onto or over the lane marker. And I know it's doing this because I can watch it on the display, so the car clearly knows it's not centered. Surely this should be a trivial task (as self-driving tasks go).
Unless you mean FSD Beta, Autopilot is just lane keep and adaptive cruise control, and doesn't take turns for you. Even if you bought the $12k option you don't have the beta until you reach that 98% or better safety score and opt in.
We’ve paid for something several times now. They always make it sound like the car drives itself.
But the real point of my comment was that if they can’t even keep the car in the middle of the lane, I seriously doubt their ability to handle situations an order of magnitude more difficult.
You are quoting someone who is egregiously misquoting and misunderstanding what Elon said in that recent earnings call. What he actually said:
Of any technology development I’ve ever been involved in, I’ve never really seen more false dawns, or where it seems like we’re going to break through but we don’t as I’ve seen in full self-driving. And ultimately what it comes down to is that to solve full self-driving, you actually have to solve real world artificial intelligence. Which nobody has solved. The whole road system is made for biological neural nets and eyes. And so actually, when you think about it, in order to solve full self-driving, we have to solve neural nets and cameras to a degree of a capability that is on par with, and will really exceeds humans. And I think we will achieve that this year. The best way to reach your own assessment is to join the Tesla full self-driving beta program. We have over 100,000 people right now enrolled in that program. And we expect to broaden that significantly this year. So that’s my recommendation is join the full self-driving beta program, and experience it for yourself. And take note of the rate of improvement with every release. And we put out a new release roughly every two weeks. And you’ll see a little bit of two steps forward, one step back. But overall, the rate of improvement is incredibly quick. So that’s my recommendation for reaching your own assessment is, literally try it.
I don't see the misunderstanding. Most of what you quoted is irrelevant, he said two key sentences:
"And so actually, when you think about it, in order to solve full self-driving, we have to solve neural nets and cameras to a degree of a capability that is on par with, and will really exceeds humans. And I think we will achieve that this year."
The meaning seems pretty clear. He says they will achieve "that", "that" being "solve full self-driving" and "solve ... on par with, and will really exceed humans" from the directly preceding sentence, which can only be either Level 4 or 5. Where is the misunderstanding?
The real way to achieve level 4, in the Tesla software, is to improve its decision making AI. You'll pretty much never spot the neural network not detect something in all of the public FSD videos, at least when it's important to the operational safety of the car (the objects on the screen don't always match up with the NN since they likely have an renderable object budget). Where it always, always fails is in deciding "is is safe to turn right now" or "can i pull into the center of the divided highway for my unprotected left yet".
It's hard not to notice that you still haven't explained where the misunderstanding is or even what you think is his point. I'm still curious how you think it's a misunderstanding, I already know you disagree. I'd be more impressed with your Twitter comeback if your own reply wasn't a <240 character non-explanation.
He isn't making any point. The only thing to understand is that Musk is merely continuing his track record of lying about where Tesla is at with its supposed "full self-driving".
Five years ago Tesla claimed all its cars "have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was a lie too: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...
Here's another joke from the same clown at the time: Where are the robo-taxis due for release in 2020 or even Level 5 FSD? [0] Just ask any Musk fan and they will either give no concrete explanation or attempt to dodge and give a hand-wavy response in the form of an admission.
> How are people still listening to this clown?
No wonder, so many people love getting openly scammed in style by him so many times, even defending the atrocious contraption FSD (Fools Self Driving) still is.
