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Also maybe the genocide in Xinjiang.

The constant attacks against India.

Daily sending war planes into Taiwan's air defense zone.

Using armed fishing vessels to militarily attack the Philippines.

Raiding the fishing grounds of poor countries by turning off transponders and sending hundreds of fishing vessels into their national waters at night.

Destroying world heritage nature reserves to steal fish.

And don't get me started about the crimes the Chinese Communists are doing to the Chinese people...



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> India is the one that has been attacking neighbouring borders, especially since the fascists came to power.

Even calling the current government 'fascicists' can be excused, but not 'attacking neighbouring borders'. Oh wait, I think you meant 'attacking neighbouring borders on provocation', yeah, that's right. China is still trying to claim (rightfully and legally) Indian and Bhutanese territories, among other regions.


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Are western media free from propaganda though?

Also when did UN called it a genocide? I googled it but found nothing specific. Mind sharing a link to the claim?


The ICC has not yet prosecuted China [1]. One would have to be quite thick to ignore Beijing's wanton criminality in its west.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide


Is the ICC part of the UN?


Sort of. The UN Security Council refers cases to the International Criminal Court for prosecution [1], and the ICC, both present and historical ad hocs, is a creature of it [2]. China isn’t a state party to the ICC, which limits its jurisdiction, and vetoes UN criticism of it, so pointing to either of these bodies as exonerations is tantamount to asking Beijing is the CCP is committing genocide.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_Internat...


> US government

Why should I trust what they have to say as opposed to, say, China’s government? Or any government at all that I did not vote for?

I’m not a U.S. citizen nor on the payroll of CCP or whatnot.


> Why should I trust what they have to say as opposed to, say, China’s government? Or any government at all that I did not vote for?

Yeah, the CCP has a great track record admitting their atrocities. Let’s totally trust them instead of the Uyghurs who are all collectively making this up out of spite.


Is this part of the playbook when training people on how best to deflect blame from China's sins? Seriously, I see it all the time.

Someone will share a well agreed upon anecdote of the horrors being committed by the Chinese, and without fail, one of the first responses will be whataboutism regarding the US government, as if that has any bearing whatsoever.

Nearly any civilized country around the world is in full agreement that there are horrific atrocities being committed by the Chinese, and it's largely due to economic bullying that we're forced to turn a blind eye.


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If you resurrected Lenin, took him for a walk around Shanghai or Beijing and explained the deal to him he would be proud since so much of their political system is derived from Leninism, ergo communism. Even their market economy seems like a redux of Lenin’s NEP.

Don’t try pulling that tired old “not real communism” schtick, we all see through it. Another thing, if they weren’t communists, where is the incentive to keep up the charade with all the symbolism? Surely a rational non-communist polity would realize there is a lot to gain from dropping the whole red, socialist realism and adopt a more (post-)modern aesthetic.


Lenin wasn't a communist. China doesn't even practice real communism.


>Another thing, if they weren’t communists, where is the incentive to keep up the charade with all the symbolism? Surely a rational non-communist polity would realize there is a lot to gain from dropping the whole red, socialist realism and adopt a more (post-)modern aesthetic.

Much to the contrary. All governments strive for continuity to legitimise their regime. It's why for example even revolutions often co-opt the institutions they're trying to replace. In this case the communist "branding" is what gives them their legitimacy.


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Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.


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Judging from your comment history, there are quite a bit of China comments there.


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