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"unpacked deep seated entrenched breach of social norms"

What does this mean in English?



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Someone asked you a question and you belittled them assuming worst intent. Please don't be THAT person. For one not everyone speaks english as a first language, two while i _think_ i understand what your getting at you picked a very obtuse way to phrase it and even i'm uncertain if i understand, three when speaking to a diverse audience from around the globe who probably are not aware of the language used when speaking about diversity you should default to simple clear explanations and language, not packing it all up into a dense phrase like that.


Honestly I’m an extremely proficient English speaker and don’t know what that sentence was referring to, or trying to say.


Google claimed to have higher regard for equity in the workplace and to correcting structural bias at all levels.

The AI ethics people were meeting structural process and behaviour around their own work, which i believe they felt fundamentally contradicts that.

They did not receive support to say it outside the company. Ultimately in at least one case, they probably broke their terms and conditions of employment and have been terminated.

Looking at it from the perspective of what people say they expect from the modern workplace, it wasn't a good alignment. People expect equity. They expect to be able to speak their mind. Within limits people can and do, but some staff have found the informal rules of what you can say about Google were not what they think they wanted.

Fired for cause, and at-will terms of employment are entirely normal. Nobody can seriously say Google broke the law, absent strong evidence. If you hire somebody to occupy a senior role, but constrain their ability to self assert, its a bit contradictory.

What do you think society at large wants, from the entities which now control the vast majority of our private state as individuals?


I’m sorry but as a native speaker your phrasing is awkward and a pain to parse. Unpack isn’t synonym for ‘uncover’ and the rest was equally clumsy. The “if the rules didn’t stop me I’d give you the finger, you imbecile” tact is a little ironic.


Yes. I leave this as an object lesson to self. I do often find the one finger points out, three point in rule, generally applies.


What is wrong with you? Why do you talk like that? It's like you take a normal sentence, then swap out some random words until it no longer makes sense.

It's not cool, it's just weird.


Instead of getting rude, you could have just searched "one finger points out, three point in" on DDG:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=one+finger+points+out%2C+th...

First result:

> 'When you point a finger at someone, remember there are three pointing back' ...


What makes it hard for me to read is mainly the comma-placement, which is quite different from the verbal pauses you'd make when reading it, and break up rather than separate the logical parts. I found myself asking "what does it mean to point in rule?" Italics or quotes would have helped.


I think it was more the lack of any sort of container; does:

...the "one finger points out, three point in" rule, generally applies...

parse any better?


How old are you? I'm 59. In my peer set, this is normal.


I want to learn more about your peer set, this is really curious.


No, its just how some people mangle English. I didn't go to Oxbridge, but a lot of my workmates in the eighties did and they sometimes wrote very strange sentence structure. An American instance: Prof Dave Mills (certainly in no sense a peer, since he's out of my league, but we did write on the same arpanet and pre great renaming Usenet lists. Also he didn't go to Oxbridge) says this of his own style of writing:

It is an open secret among my correspondents that I on occasion do twitch the English language in mail messages and published works. Paper referees have come to agreement on what they call millsspeak to refer to the subtilities with which I personalize my work. If you read my papers or my mail, you know my resonances. If not, you can calibrate my naughtimeter from children's books

Jon Crowcroft, who is a CS professor in Cambridge, but was a phd student in ucl-cs when I worked there in the eighties: http://paravirtualization.blogspot.com/ also, probably presumptuous to call him a peer: if he keeps going, he may be one both literally, and by appointment. Of the realm that is, not I.

Overall I think I miswrote above. Absent a time machine, it stands.

Obviously, this stuff irritates a lot of people. I apologise, but really at this stage I doubt I'm changing.

Btw, and please forgive me if this is a breach of privacy but HN comment history shows you've accumulated a 25 year deep curated unix command history file. If I had the forethought to have done the same (which btw, is a brilliant idea) it would be older than yours. It most definitely would not be better, and very possibly more narrow in focus. I suspect, the pretensions of written English aside, we're not that different.


This is a situation, up with which, I shall not put




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