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For what it's worth, I've find Here Maps to be a step up from Apple Maps. Used to be owned Nokia, now it seems to be a big partnership between VW, BMW, Daimler, Intel, Mitsubishi and NTT.

Here has our complete transit system; Apple only has our 2 light rail routes and is missing our 80-some bus lines. Here has walking instructions and is adding Biking (still poor, but at least it has something). They have pretty good business contact information and hours, reviews aren't great since they're partnered with Trip Advisor, which is about a wash compared to Apple's Yelp partnership though.



There's the Facebook SDK malware in their app though, at least on iOS. That's a dealbreaker for me.


I don't know if this will be satisfactory to you, but you could install an on-device firewall app like Lockdown [1] and block Facebook connections completely from all apps. The default doesn't block all Facebook domains, but you can change the configuration.

[1]: https://lockdownprivacy.com/


Interesting. Do you have any more information about it? I haven't been able to find anything.

Their privacy policy seemed reasonably OK by modern standards, and all I can turn up is Facebook is getting map data from them; but nothing about Facebook being integrated into their products.


Look at the network traffic from the phone while the app is running. You will see traffic to graph.facebook.com on every app launch.

I've just tested it and the latest iOS version of Here Maps as of today does indeed still include the Facebook malware and it's very eager to try and reach outside (dozens of failed connection attempts, looks like it doesn't take "no" for an answer).


Confirmed, on every launch. I think it might be hitting some other undesirables, but FB was enough for me to close the Pi-Hole interface and delete the app. Disappointing, but Apple Maps doesn't suck enough for me to get terribly upset, except for one less acceptable alternative existing.


If it’s not included in their privacy policy, would sharing with Facebook not be illegal? Are you an EU resident by any chance?


In the U. S., where we don't like to get in the way of our corporate overlords.


It would be, but the question is whether the law is being enforced?

As far as I know, you can't directly sue over a breach of the GDPR, and the regulators who are supposed to enforce it on your behalf are unwilling to do so.


On Linux there is also the relatively new GNOME Maps, in case people here aren't aware.


In Germany HERE WeGo (how Here Maps is called nowadays) is my default app for all things navigation. I am very happy with it and it's especially nice to be able to download offline maps for the whole country.


HERE is really good in some places (Chicago area benefits from a major HERE office being located here), and pretty sparse in others. It seems particularly in international markets, the availability of even basic map data can differ wildly, much moreso than if you're in a major US city.


Yeah, unfortunately that's a problem with basically all the competitors I've looked at. OSM is pretty terrible in a good chunk of the US as well, and even varies neighborhood by neighborhood in most cities I've checked.

At least Apple is fairly uniform in their coverage - it's equally not-all-that-good everywhere.




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