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What does 'limitless' mean, physically?


If I'm understanding the article correctly, a very tiny piece of graphene can pick up a very tiny amount of energy from the random jiggles at the atomic scale.

Presumably, those jiggles are always going to be there, unless somehow earth becomes a cold, dead place.

So imagine the solar panel on your calculator didn't need light, just a temperature above absolute zero.


This is exactly what the press release say, but this is impossible due the the Second Law of Thermodynamics. So (select at least one)

1) The press release is wrong

2) The research article is wrong

3) The Second Law of thermodynamics is wrong.

[As a fast explanation, if the grapheme membrane and the lamp in the animation are at the same temperature, then the electrons in the lamp will get an equivalent amount of random jiggles and will counter the effect described in the article. (There may be also a similar problem with the diodes, capacitor, etc.)]


I think it's going to be able to essentially deliver a very small current virtually indefinitely.


That's how I understand it as well. It harvest the brownian motion of atoms in graphene.

I definitely don't know enough about this subject to judge the plausibility of the claim but "graphene" and "limitless power" in the same headline does trigger a few red flags.


I can't find the actual electrical power generated by the prototype circuit in the press releases, but it sounds like in the mA power range? It is "limitless" as long as the graphene mechanically survives (wonder how long that buckling will take to compromise the graphene) and there is some kind of minimum temperature maintained for the given required amount of electrical power output desired. Definitely not "free energy", but always good to reach further down into the physical realm in Feynman's "Plenty of Room at the Bottom" sense.

I'm rooting around for alternative sources of the paper without success, but for those who have read it, what kind of graphene did they use (monolayer, CVD, GO, rGO, etc.)? I suspect that will somewhat throttle the manufacturing supply chain.

Batteries are the least interesting application to me. This brings "sensor dust" out of solid fantasy into the realm of possibility in the far future; at first it will be "sensor clods", but let it follow the same evolutionary Shockley-to-ARM development path, and let's see where it goes. Permanently implanted medical chips to measure the blood, nervous and other internal medicine metrics we want to get our hands on might be more miniaturized; need to figure out how to extract out the incredibly weak signal.



You’ll still need a source of heat. This is a power converter not a source of free energy.


But that means the graphene sheet need to be hotter than the surroundings? Or is this just converting heat from the air and infrared radiation into electric energy?


So essentially its converting energy from the sun, via latent heat in the atmosphere into energy

Could also use geothermal heat I guess


'bullshit'




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