But surprisingly, even in “good schools”, when the same offense happens by minorities vs. non minorities, it is criminalized when done by minorities.
I was amazed at the stories my son told me about kids getting caught with drugs, hitting a coach, vandalizing property and all that happened was that the parents got called and a few days of suspension and the police were never involved. Because “kids will be kids”. Of course this is in a high income district.
When I was previously married living in a predominantly minority neighborhood - great neighborhood, lower income minority school district - my step daughter would tell me about the even the most minor of offenses where administrators would get the police involved.
There have been plenty of studies showing the unequal treatment of Black and White kids.
That's a different school, run by different people. It does not prohibit attendance by students of any race. The only bias I see is that of the parents, who pay a housing premium to avoid being associated with some kinds of people.
The local people choose the school board, which then chooses the school policy and administration.
School policy is limited by what is allowed and by what seems to work. If the parents usually are quick to discipline students for misbehavior, then parents will be relied upon to do so. If the parents ignore or encourage misbehavior, there is no reason to involve them. The police will be called instead.
Still, you elected a school board that would permit that difference, and you chose where to live.
If telling parents gets students under control at one school, and it doesn't work at the other school, punishment will be different. You could get to that policy by trial and error, without any knowledge of the racial makeup of the student body.
A) Because someone who lived in my school district where rent was $600 a month - I had a house as part of the “gentrification” movement pre real estate bust - could pick up and move to a better school district like I did in the opposite side of the metro area over an hour away where the rent is now $2000/month.
B) if minorities are treated differently in the same school district, why would the majority care? Are you now going to argue that if you are a minority and face statistically unequal treatment by the criminal justice system you should move out of the city? state? country?
Things are different, yes, but I'm not seeing any racism on the part of the school administration or school board.
You are in "a high income district". You were in "lower income minority school district". I don't know the racial situation in your current district, though I could probably guess right. It's realistic, though not very nice, to imply that "minority" is the opposite of "high income".
For the discipline difference, it's enough that there is an income difference. That explains everything. There is no need to mention race.
The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents.
The low-income people, on average, don't give a damn. Telling a parent about bad behavior will just generate a tirade of insults. Calling the police works, so that is done.
It's unfair to the low-income people who aren't terrible. Well, life isn't fair. The group you associate with will determine how you are treated.
It's realistic, though not very nice, to imply that "minority" is the opposite of "high income".
Hint: Not only are “some of my best friends Black”, my parents, my wife, my children, and all of my family is too. Please don’t go all “woke” on me.
For the discipline difference, it's enough that there is an income difference. That explains everything. There is no need to mention race.
Studies show that it happens in the same district...
The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents.
Right because poor people don’t care about education.
The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents.
Uhh, this isn’t new. I went to a private school growing up. By definition if they were paying to go to the school I went to, they weren’t poor. I saw myself how much different the “bad” White kids were treated than the Black kids.
The group you associate with will determine how you are treated.
Oh that’s all I have to tell my six foot 3 son to do! Make sure he has one of his White friends with him (he usually does) when he hangs out so police won’t wonder what he’s doing in our part of town.
He was going to walk from school one night down the street to a Waffle House after a football game to meet his other classmates. His friend group is like the rainbow coalition, but this one night he wasn’t sure whether his non-Black friends were going to the game and walking down there with him. We told him if not, just take an Uber. Two Black kids walking down the street were an easy target for harassment. Not by other kids - kids aren’t as stupid as the older generation - they were worried about being harassed by the cops.
I'm nearly the opposite of “woke” but I try to be nice, and that wording reminded me of this awful Biden quote: “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids”
As a general rule, yes, poor people don't care about education. That's typically a contributing factor to being poor. Exceptions are common.
Poor areas and poor families have a sort of cultural rot. Some have given up. Some see other things, often less honest or less productive, as an easier path to getting by in life. Some fear loss of friends if they choose a different path in life. In those areas, a kid who does well in school will be attacked by peers.
So at home, the parents are not reading to kids. The parents are not asking about homework. The parents are not taking away sources of entertainment that distract from success. The parents are not bothered by a non-A grade or in a panic over a below-B grade. Instead, the parents are creating chaos. The parents are getting arrested, coming to blows while drunk or high, and cranking up the TV volume. Very often, the families are broken. Sometimes the kids don't even know their father. All sorts of non-academic nonsense is glorified. The priorities are just all wrong. That is not an environment that promotes discipline, studying, or academic success.
If teachers are really treating black kids of equivalent income and wealth different from white kids, that is interesting. It's particularly interesting because teachers are among the most “woke” of all, commonly marching for BLM while accusing the MAGA crowd of being racist. In the name of BLM people have torched black neighborhoods (both business and residential) and torn down statues of people who fought against slavery, and the arrested people have included numerous teachers.
Life isn't fair, so some hints for your son: wear a nice suit, speak crisp standard English, and keep the grooming strictly traditional. Basically, adopt the mannerisms of a lawyer.
Life isn't fair, so some hints for your son: wear a nice suit, speak crisp standard English, and keep the grooming strictly traditional. Basically, adopt the mannerisms of a lawyer.
You did see the article I posted where Ving Rhames had five cops show up to his house pointing guns at him because they thought he was breaking into his own home? Should he have been wearing a suit in his own home?
No “acting White” doesn’t keep you from getting pulled over. My (step)son grew up in the burbs all of his life. No matter how “White” he talks he will still be treated with suspicious. So he is suppose to wear a suit everywhere? Do you tell your son to wear a suit when he is going to play basketball?
I know for a fact according to statistics I make more than twice the median in my county - the most affluent in the state and one of the top 25 in the country - the benefit of working for BigTech remotely while living in the south, I’m by no means rich - and yes we still get looked at suspiciously walking into our own homes.
So you mean all Black people have to do is wear a suit everywhere and they won’t get harassed? You have singlehandedly solved racism, police misconduct, the disenfranchisement of minorities, racial profiling, etc in one sentence!
And no, teachers come from their communities just like cops do. Do you really think they earn a degree and automatically become “woke”?
So poverty couldn’t possibly be caused by systemic racism, educational funding based on property taxes, the War on Drugs that habitually punishes minorities more than Whites for the same offenses that also makes it harder to get a job.
My son is actually paranoid of cops when he goes to play basketball. But anyway, life isn't fair, and if you're having a problem then there are things you can do to improve perception. The lawyer look/mannerisms get you out of the "might be lower class" bucket, which is where the fear and hostility comes from. Although I admit that being white can help avoid that bucket, any white person can put themselves into the "might be lower class" bucket with awful grooming choices. Facial tattoos will do it, a slurred voice will do it, etc.
The kind of people who become teachers are generally not the kind of people who become cops. The education is radically different. So that is a different starting point and a different path to the career. The teaching degree is nearly 100% “woke” garbage, none of it practical in the classroom. Some, for example the methods for reading instruction, has even been proven to be actively harmful.
Educational funding has nearly nothing to do with educational success. The per-child budget for the DC schools should make this very clear. Culture is nearly everything. Some cultures are toxic.
The lawyer look/mannerisms get you out of the "might be lower class" bucket, which is where the fear and hostility comes from.
So should Ving Rhames had “the lawyer look” in his own home? Would that have stopped five cops from coming to his house? If the Black guy sitting in his own home who got shot by the cop because she thought she was entering her house not have been shot if had gone to sleep in a suit not been killed?
Do you also tell your female relatives if they dress appropriately they won’t be raped?
I was amazed at the stories my son told me about kids getting caught with drugs, hitting a coach, vandalizing property and all that happened was that the parents got called and a few days of suspension and the police were never involved. Because “kids will be kids”. Of course this is in a high income district.
When I was previously married living in a predominantly minority neighborhood - great neighborhood, lower income minority school district - my step daughter would tell me about the even the most minor of offenses where administrators would get the police involved.
There have been plenty of studies showing the unequal treatment of Black and White kids.