"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." - Eric Schmidt, Google CEO until last year.
Even as a hypocrite he was valuing employees more than any other CEO in his time. Larry has no empathy and it was shown very clearly when he took over.
I'd say it's far more likely that they're concerned with Google's increased evilness becoming a hot topic among current employees as well as the general public. This will no doubt result in many of the brightest engineers choosing to work for competing companies that aren't morally bankrupt.
Working for Google used to be argubly the most prestigious job among software engineers, but they're heading towards the same path as Facebook.
Okay sure, but the biggest leaks of the year were related to the Pixel 3, not due to any of this "they're more evil" nonsense that this site cares about, but almost no one else does.
And working for Google hasn't changed one iota. Stop pretending like HN is a bellweather of anything at all. It's not. Get out of your bubble.
Oh my.. if you think the Pixel leaks were bigger than the Dragonfly leaks, then it's definitely you living in a bubble. Google has been condemned by leaders around the world, including the freaking Vice President. Facebook and Google are being fined for billions for their evil behavior. Literally hundreds of Google engineers and managers has publicly condemned their employer because of the Dragonfly project, risking their job and future promotions. When has that ever happened before? I certainly can't think of another instance.
If you think Facebook and Google hasn't been affected by the evil "nonsense" then I suspect you greatly underestimate the quantity and quality of the HN engineers, as well as how big the topic of privacy has become outside HN/Reddit/etc as well. The ivy league school I went to certainly discussed the evil practices of Facebook very often, and several would be ashamed of working there.. I graduated long before the Dragonfly project came to light, but there's no doubt in my mind that it's a hot topic at all the top universities, as well as workplaces around the world.
A) The Vice President's condemnations ought to be worn with a badge of pride, B) Google is being fined billions because the EU wants money, not because they've done anything amoral, C) employees protest the actions of their employer all the time (see every single labor dispute ever), D) I don't underestimate anything, I accurately estimate how small of a topic privacy is to everyone outside of Internet forums, E) "several" is hardly a movement; I know "several" people who would be ashamed to work at WHO because of how "under-prepared" they are for a zombie apocalypse, and finally F) your comment absolutely confirms your status in the HN "pretend to be concerned while actually doing nothing and continuing to use/benefit from the very people/organizations you claim to dislike" bubble that you and so many other people on HN seem to live in.
You're not grounded in reality, so your opinions as you've expressed them so far are not even remotely accurate, for the reasons I've listed above, as well as many others. You're going to continue to be surprised and confused about why things happen, and it's not going to get better until you figure out a way to hop off your cloud and come join us in the real world, because here no one gives a shit about Dragonfly (many down here, including at least one Chinese citizen, think it's better to have Google at all), and everyone is laughing at Google for their inability to keep the Pixel 3 under wraps.
A) Ah yes, they should take great pride in developing software that will assist the world's most evil and dangerous country rewrite history, spread propaganda and help them imprison and murder citizens who dare to seek change.
B) Don't be ridiculous. They're going to be fined for violating people's privacy and engaging in evil behaviour. European companies won't get a free pass.
C) I was obviously referring to tech companies, whom in this case happen to be among the best paid in the world. I'd love for you to find a single other instance.
D) It's not a small topic among software engineers, especially the brightest ones.. you know, the kind of people Google wish to employ.
E) I obviously don't know how every engineer feel. I just know that a significant percentage of the software engineers I've known would never want to work for them. It's difficult to tell to which degree Facebooks downfall can be attributed to the employees they've lost and the people they've failed to attract.
F) I am doing something. With regard to privacy I use every opportunity to recommend everyone to use Signal, Firefox, Duckduckgo, NetGuard, Cookie Autodelete extensions, etc.
>You really can't even fathom any possible other meaning behind what I wrote than that?
In context, no.
But rather than reiterate the last few posts in this thread, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Please explain to me how Googlers should wear Pence's accusation that they're "abetting Beijing’s oppression" with pride.
How is it a willful misunderstanding? The only way not to view your statements in a terrible light would be to take everything you said out of context.
