Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Big art has been hijacked by big money. Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite.

This shows the hypocrisy. Unfortunately it will not change anything. The piece has just become more valuable, I predict.

Go Banksy. Art for the masses.



This piece was excellently executed but shredding may not have been the best way to make that point (even if it is a good laugh). A few quick thoughts on how this idea could be modified if the goal is to poke at the art market:

- Destroy the original completely. This would be difficult as even ashes from burning could be resold and exhibited. I’m also not sure destruction captures the right point.

- Reverse the shredder idea to instead have a photocopier in the frame. Have the copier spit out “originals” on demand and reveal that there is no actual original piece.

- Have money literally effect the art (or have the money become the art). Like fill the air gap in the frame with dollar bills upon purchase or something super in your face like that.

- Reveal new information about the piece or about the artist that makes owning the piece horribly distasteful.

- Physically print a giant photo of the new owner’s face over the art when the auction completes.

- Have the artwork be a complete pain to exhibit or care for. Maybe it comes with a button that has to be pressed every 108 minutes or else the price gets shredded (sadly this would almost certainly result in some guy getting paid almost nothing to sit about and press the button for years)

Banksy is always a bit too smirky for me, however I can’t complain too much as this armchair is really quite comfortable.


Find most of these ideas kind of empty, personally, except the photocopier one. Really like that.


I think that the more democratic statement would be to not create anything special at all.

Create your art in digital form only. Release it on DeviantArt or on some similar website under CC0. Then say that you would sell "first author's printout" of it or something. As soon as somebody buys it on an auction, you go on the scene with old laptop and cheap printer. You demonstratively go to DuckDuckGo, search for your artwork, open worst quality result from the first page, select "Print..." in Firefox's menu, select worst quality (saying loudly that you want to conserve ink) and press "Start".


Big money art is not just an investment vehicle, it allows collectors to do things that would be difficult or illegal with other assets.

For example: You and a few of your rich buddies buy up as much artwork as you can from a famous but not too famous dead artist. Say, 10 pieces at a million a piece. I sell my friend one of them for 1.5 million and another for 1.7. I buy his for 2 and 3 million. Repeat a few times, and now you've established a pattern that this artist's work is becoming more valuable. After several years, you all sell your paintings for 5-10 million a piece.


this is pump and dump and is possible with every kind of asset.


The amount of capital needed is different


It’s also an incredible vehicle for money laundering.


> Big art has been hijacked by big money. Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite.

Or to just flip, without ever putting it on display. On industrial scale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38167501

https://www.widewalls.ch/geneva-freeport-art-storage-freepor...


Highjacked is a strange term considering it's always been like that...


Nothing has been hijacked. Artists create art, for fun or profit. Rich people sell it to each other.


Art has meaning, and some intended meanings expressed through art are nullified when the art piece is turned into a commodity.

Artists rebelling against commodification of their art pieces in the past saw their own anti-commodification art works turned into commodities, thus nullifying their message.

The message that comes through becomes the ideas that you have expressed.

Modern artists like Banksy or Damien Hirst, or anyone who has read Naomi Klein's "No Logo", are knowledgeable of this.


>Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite.

And something to launder money with.


In the art world, Banksy is seen largely as trite and is known to attract new and dumb money. If you've seen his film "Exit Through The Gift Shop", Mr. Brainwash, the aspiring artist he portrays, is quite similar to how anyone who knows or cares a little about art sees Banksy himself.

It isn't just "big money" saying this - ask any cool (poor) artists or curators if they like Banksy and you'll be laughed out of the room. He's the Nickelback of contemporary art. It's not because of his message - lots of other artists make biting, hilarious attacks on global capitalism and consumer culture, if that's what you're into.

Also, as others in this thread have pointed out, practices like this shredding don't actually devalue the piece, and may in fact increase it's value. The shredding is an empty gesture signifying the rejection of a culture that the piece is very much a part of. If a piece is just an investment vehicle, what effect does humiliating the owner of the piece have on the piece's function as an investment vehicle, if it does not lower the value? They (allegedly) own the art only for it's value, so how does this strike back at them?

If you want to look getting money out of art, you might start by looking at the early performance art tradition and what it achieved in terms of decommodification. Pay special attention to the amount of lying and inconsistent storytelling. Ask yourself whether "Exit Through The Gift Shop" (grossed 3MM in USA box office and set Banksy on the track to these $1mm sales) achieves any of the same decommodification.


The stunts are the art.

I am an artist myself. I don't see Banksy as being an anti-capitalist or anti-consumer culture artist. I see that aspect of his performance as a persona, exactly like Mr. Brainwash is, and that he uses that persona as background for his real art, which are the stunts he pulls off to delight wealthy patrons.

I also don't believe he is trying (ineffectively) to rebel against the commodification of art; he's knowledgeable and complicit in it, much like Damien Hirst.

A case for my argument is that he (deliberately) delighted the art auction audience with his stunt (as opposed to insulted); the art work was only half-shredded, allowing it to still be hung; knowing action houses, they had thoroughly inspected the art work before putting it up for auctioning, and were complicit with Banksy's stunt, and this much is evident in their good-natured choice of words for the press; the art work's value has only increased, as has his reputation as a (complicit and well-wishing) prankster.

In short, Banksy has taken the post-modernist concept of an artist with a persona that superficially and ineffectively rebels against capitalism while the real artist is actively, knowingly and profitably complicit with capitalism... Banksy has taken it to a sublime level, and that's why we in the art world who are in on the joke (and know who is really being laughed at: the public who believe in his flimsy anti-capitalist persona) love him as one of us.


While the art world is busy flaunting its taste, real people are reacting to and enjoying Banksy’s art. His name and his work will live on.


He also supports terrorist groups like Hamas.


Big money ruins art. I'm not a proponent of the "starving artist" mindset, but the simple fact is that the most honest, deep-felt art comes from struggle and passion, not from wealth and comfort.


Personally I think it's just as likely he's riffing on the ridiculous ways some behave having discovered a Banksy on the outside wall of some property in order to sell.

Whichever, or even if he is an evil capitalist villain, complete with white cat, laughing at our expense, I still like his messages and style.


The funniest part is that people would lose their minds if this happened to a Picasso.



Not if Picasso did it himself...




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: