What does full-stack mean here?
Phone is fully produced in Europe?
Software and online storage fully provided by European company?
edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch.
Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
Usually 'full stack' just means software. Here it means a true Linux phone (Sailfish OS) plus Android compatibility with sandboxing. The C2 model is made in Turkey from Asian parts. The new phone is manufactured in Asia, but the final assembly, QA, and software flashing are done in Finland.
This isn't for people with a consumer mindset. It’s for people who want a Linux computer in their pocket, more privacy, and still want to run some Android apps.
There are phones that can run "true Linux" out there, and there even are ports of Sailfish OS for some of them, but Jolla phones were never part of those and rely on Android drivers instead.
People also successfully use Librem 5 (which I happen to use), OnePlus 6, Pixel 3A and some others. There's not a lot to choose from, sure, but they do exist.
But even the full software stack isn't European as it runs on a Mediatek platform (ie. all the cellular stack and platform software is from Mediatek, which is from Taiwan). It's the apps software stack on top of the Linux kernel that is potentially "European".
There are no longer any cellular chipset vendors based in Europe, afaik, so there's really no alternative. It's also hard to see how they will ever again be one.
Let us clarify here as it is very different indeed.
The Jolla C2 Community Phone is done in collaboration with Reeder, who is the HW vendor. This means Reeder sources the components, plans the production and does the manufacturing in Turkey. Jolla provides the complete software stack (Sailfish OS) which is installed by Reeder in the manufacturing.
In the new Jolla Phone everything is different. Jolla is the vendor, has designed the product itself, done the component sourcing and pays directly to the component vendors. We control the pipeline. Further, we have secured our position for the initial memory batch with advance purchase.
Also, to be clear: Reeder has no involvement in the new Jolla Phone.
Thank you for asking, very good points to clarify!
It's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).
I'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.
They can rely on libhybris if they want, why should I care - I just object to calling that "a full-stack alternative", especially when alternatives do exist.
That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...
I use my Librem 5 as a daily driver, and I’m certainly not an open source purist.
What I do care about is that my phone isn’t going to run into obsolescence a few years down the road (due to hard kernel forks and YOLO’ed device drivers that are not going to be updated for newer kernels).
Neat! I'm already using openwebui/ollama with a 7900 xtx but the STT and TTS parts don't seem to work with it yet:
2025-05-05 20:53:15,808] [WARNING] [real_accelerator.py:194:get_accelerator] Setting accelerator to CPU. If you have GPU or other accelerator, we were unable to detect it.
Error loading model for checkpoint ./models/Lasinya: This op had not been implemented on CPU backend.
Basically anything llama.cpp (Vulkan backend) should work out of the box w/o much fuss (LM Studio, Ollama, etc).
The HIP backend can have a big prefill speed boost on some architectures (high-end RDNA3 for example). For everything else, I keep notes here: https://llm-tracker.info/howto/AMD-GPUs
Main Kiwix dev in charge of scrapers (tools to create ZIM files, even if we do not really scrape technically speaking) here.
We are working hard toward upgrading the Wikipedia ZIMs, but it is far from being an easy feat. I'm mostly solo on this, and far from dedicating 100% of my time to this, so it does not move very fast. We are quite close to being able to reach the goal however, probably only a matter of weeks now.
Bonus: the tool will now get pretty good at making a ZIM of any Mediawiki, not only Wikimedia ones, we expect for instance to work on all Fandom wikis somewhere this year since there is significant knowledge over there.
Hey, thank you for what you do! Kiwix was the first project that made me feel like using Github Sponsors to support it; your work is wrapped into countless other educational projects like IIAB.
Is there any specific help you need, or where could folks get involved if they wanted to?
I looked into it once, I think the script or system that built the larger dumps broke and no one fixed it. I started working on it but other stuff got in the way.
Searx is great (I use SearXNG personally) but be aware that it's something that lifts along on the main search engines. It's not a search engine, just a meta one. It still depends on the big US ones for its results. Just like Kagi for that matter (though they do have a small crawler themselves, their main results are metasourced from various large engines)
They're not using/advocating to use Signal for their military control/communication:
> This week, Brigadier General Mattias Hanson, the Swedish Armed Forces' CIO (Chief Information Officer), decided that calls and text messages that do not concern classified information should, as far as possible, be made using the Signal app. The decision aims to make it more difficult to intercept calls and messages sent via the telephone network.
Seems people were using SMS for those messages they are now advocating to use Signal for.
Also, seems they've done a review (obviously) but unclear if they had access to something internal from Signal to do the review, feels like they had to:
> The Signal application has been deemed by the Swedish Armed Forces to have sufficient security to make it difficult to intercept calls and messages.
Any decent military will be using multiple forms of communication systems.
I was a communications specialist for the Swedish Armed forces 10+ years ago, including a tour in Afghanistan and a tour in Kosovo.
We used radio links for internet that I can tell you, were more adversarial than friendly.
The Swedish military is highly capable when it comes to network communications. A small nation will have to think differently.
You could potentially use an instant messaging system in control by someone else, if you are willing and capable of sharing encryption keys with whomever you are going to communicate with beforehand.
>Because everything in Signal is end-to-end encrypted, we can rent server infrastructure from a variety of providers like Amazon AWS, Google Compute Engine, Microsoft Azure, and others while ensuring that your messages and calls remain private and secure.
Your source doesn't support your claim. The exact snippet you quoted, interpreted strictly, only means they have the option to host it across providers, not that they actually do so. It also doesn't say anything about where it's hosted. It can be hosted in AWS, GCP, and azure, but all in the US, for instance.
edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch.
Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.
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