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So, no crash to speak of at all. Crash is when it devalues to a lot less than what we're seeing now.


It went as low as $3.3k. That’s a bit lower than we’re at now.


Wish I could type with pleasure and low latency on my Android phone. Even on my HTC One M9 it's cringeworthy!


That's the main draw I have to try out the BB KeyOne - I can still type faster on my physical keyboard on my Dell Venue Pro than I can my Nexus 6, but if I could swipe on my BBK1, who knows?


The jitter and latency on androids is terrible but I feel like they're more accurate than the iphone for some reason.

My $20 raspberry pi with a cheap USB keyboard has neither problem though...


The lag behind your finger on Android is one of the reasons I have an iPhone. It's really noticeable.


Yeah, especially since the M8 really killed it in terms of latency: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2706200

It seems difficult to make the screen worse than the previous model.


Coming from the Internet, how about you both back up your statement with some rationale?


For laughs I sometimes say I'm AltaVista'ing something. Or "Veronica'ing" if I suspect they'd might get the reference.


"Let me duck that for you"


In Dutch, we call it a container. Yes, the English word is used by the Dutch to refer to the rubbish bin we all have outside of our houses. They're all the same style too pretty much: hard plastic (not sure which type) and all pick-uppable by the garbage collectors. Though they do come in different volume sizes.

https://autoline.nl/img/s/gemeentelijke-machines-vuilniscont...


The actual solution is simple: stop using these devices.


It's not that simple if you've already bought the devices and the terms change.


Buy devices that do not come with "backdoors" like this then. Why would these not be autonomous?


How is preventing you from updating your software until you agree to a privacy policy a backdoor?


"The customer can choose to acknowledge the policy, or can accept that over time their product may cease to function" (emphasize mine).


You read that and think they're going to tunnel into your network and break your speakers? To me this is clearly lawyer CYA language to ensure that when Spotify changes their API and Sonos only supports it in a future software update, you will have been warned.


I read that and I think they're totally free to.

And they might. Which would be more frustrating to a user - their Sonos turning into regular speakers, or arbitrarily and randomly not functioning as expected?

Imagine the difference between your phone suddenly bricking itself, or random refusing to dial certain numbers.


Free to in what sense?


Free in the sense that they can stop supporting any streaming services on your Sonos device.


Free to in that if they did so, you would have no recourse according to this document.


That's a good point, there must be a way to block access from these devices to the Sonos mothership. I have seen zero software improvement in the few years I owned my Sonos set, so I can't say that I would miss much.


Yes I will tell my friend who has sonos players for around 2000 USD, I'm sure he will listen.


Good god, how many does he have that they set him back $2000?


Not as many as you'd think.


The sonos subwoofer alone is about half of that price.


That's the ballpark price of a standard Sonos 5.1 home theatre set.


I think around 6


Thanks Captain obvious. It's not simple at all for people who have dropped $1000+ on speakers all over their house.


Could you recommend some alternatives?


Run Squeezelite on multiple Raspberry Pis paired with decent USB audio adapters (Berhinger UCA222 - decent analog and also optical out). Music served from a PC using the standard Logitech Media Server software, playback controlled with either the standard web interface or the Squeezer android app.

Plug the RPis into decent stereos (not a powered speaker unless you are some kind of rabid animal) and you've got a good setup that can be controlled from anywhere in the house. Multiple stereos can playback in sync and be controlled from the same UI.


I second this. I've been using various squeezebox devices (and software players) for years, for both listening to my own music collection as well as streaming (spotify mostly). The squeezebox server (i.e the core software that various clients can connect to) has been open-sourced, and is still actively developed/updated. There are also open-source software clients readily available.


Great advice. I've had squeezeboxes since the SB1 in 2003, and recently got a Hifiberry amp running Squeezelite. It's as minimal as it gets -- power brick, RPi + amp in a custom case, and speakers. The class D amp is surprisingly pleasant.


Does Logitech Media Server integrate with all these doodads: http://www.sonos.com/en-us/streaming-music ?


A few of them look familiar, but I don't use that stuff. My advice was given with someone with a digital music collection in mind. Spotify, for example, was available on the Squeezebox Touch (and not the earlier Squeezebox Classic) but I don't know how tricky it would be to make it work with Squeezelite.


There is a new plugin called "spotty" (see here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107615-Announce...) that lets you stream spotify to any client.


Thanks, I know someone who can use this. I also saw a year or two ago some guy was selling some product or service or something aimed at supporting the older hardware with newer streaming services. I just don't generally use the streaming stuff.


I have one of these and am generally really happy with it

http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/airstream/s200


https://github.com/badaix/snapcast/blob/master/README.md

Not a solution, but snapcast is a useful part of the puzzle for the actual streaming and multiroom sync.


What's the latency like? I've got some Qualcomm Allcast gear that seems to do sync properly with no perceptible delay, but it's the only one I've heard that does it properly.


An appropriately-loud sound system that fills the whole house with music. I can hear my Bose radio throughout the entire apartment, without digital interference because everything is wired.


Harmon Kardon Onxy bluetooth and fuck the smart features.


Thank you for extending my todo-list :-)


Actually, if you're looking into Gogs, please look into Gitea instead. It was forked from Gogs because Gogs is done by a single maintainer, who just vanishes for months at a time every once in a while. (Which is not a bad thing per se, but this is precisely why Gitea is set up as a team effort.)


Good to know, I'll be sure to do just that. Much thanks.


Nice! It's one of the things still on my to-do list.


To me, Mastodon is the next Twitter, and there is a lot less nastiness going on because the character limit per message is 400 characters, leading to a lot more nuanced and well thought out conversations.

It also helps that it is a decentralised platform, so there is no central censorship going on like on Twitter, which has the incentive to earn money and where the user is the consumer.


Wouldn't you say that there is more to this problem than content length and centralisation?


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