I also have a hard time hearing it in this example, your second example is just the default NotebookLLM male. But there are much better examples of NotebookLLM cloning voices out there. See my other comments.
Btw, are you sure that is the part David Greene is upset about? The NotebookLLM hosts will vary their voice, and jump into and out of different voices in a glitchy manner sometimes.
Why is everybody so inclined to defend NotebookLLM here? I've heard Chris Fisher and other Jupiter Broadcasting hosts mimicked , but also leo Laporte (from TWIT) for example. It's obvious it is trained on a lot of open podcasting material and clones a voice every now and then.
I listen to some Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts. The main host (Chris Fisher) regularly pops up in NotebookLLM content, with his voice. Sometimes it just jumps in, and then after some time out again. It’s usually a pretty perfect imitation, I can’t hear the difference .
Edit, here an older piece, there have been many since: [0], it’s the 3rd voice that enters the NotebookLLM clip so it takes a minute before it comes in (shared this clip here late 2024 [1]).
I kept listening waiting to hear the voice that was supposed to sound like him, and never did.
Was it the first one (I heard three different voices during the clip)? That one is considerably deeper than the podcaster's voice, and has different tones, too. It definitely wasn't the last one, that one was much higher pitched (and then a female voice in the middle).
Feels like a big stretch, to say the least. But I can tell a big difference between the two.
Ultimately, it's like some of the music copyright lawsuits, where they're suing over chord progression. There are a billion voices on the planet -- any AI generated voice is going to sound similar to someone else's real voice (and again, I don't hear it at all in this case).
EDIT: So it's the third voice apparently. The pitch is close, but the tones and accents still definitely feel "off" enough that it doesn't sound like they were intentionally going for this guy. It still feels like a stretch to me, but not as much as the first voice did.
The clone start at 39:42. The match is 100x better than what David Greene claims (although I know Chris's voice much better). I don't see (hear) how you not hear it., I've been listening to Chris Fisher for 20 years and that clone fooled me.
It’s the voice after the woman indeed. I think it’s very close, didn’t understand what happened the first time I heard it. And this was 2024, they found many funny examples and they get better and are even better copies.
I think I rememeber an episode where he played a clip of AI Chris talking about Linux at the start of an episode and I genuinely couldn't tell the difference
In the clip, I thought he was playing a prank by reading the script of NotebookLM as the third voice (after the woman). Was that really NotebookLM? I've only heard the first two voices and the first voice didn't sound like him to me, but the last one definitely sounded like him.
Yeah it’s after the woman enters. That is usually how it happens, suddenly his voice comes in, even though it’s a duo suddenly it’s his voice for some time. And really with all his mannerisms. I guess there is just a lot of his material out there.
I can't image we're listening to the same voice then, the piece starts with an intro, then the NotebookLLM part starts with a male, then a female, and then the cloned voice enters.
But as said, this is an old example, there have been many since (which I am too lazy to look up) that are also very clear voice clones.
As long as we are ranting: I have many multilingual converstations. At some point iOS started offering the "German/English" keyboard option. I assume it also does "French/Swahili" or whatever, but for some reason it didn't auto-create a combination for "Hungarian/English" which I use more than German/English.
This sounds like a great idea, but in practice it just autocorrects incorrectly in two languages instead of one. Which is a shame, since even the German government uses a lot of Denglish these days, you'd think it would be trainable.
Meanwhile, when the chat gets stuck in the wrong language, it's a comfort to know that selecting another (or trying to press Shift for that matter) will take me to Keyboard Settings at least 80% of the time. Because who knows when you might need to change those!
On top this my own language is Englishifying so it’s understandable it gets confused. But still, the whole thing is infuriating when you type something correct and boom, it becomes a word in another language.
"Once I began to create the metadata I already knew what I wanted to do: create my own streaming platform for our family’s memories."
Immich has become a bit of this for me, my father digitized everything he has, he gave it to me and I dumped it in Immich and spend some time dating stuff. So now I can, with the slide of the finger, drop myself in 1983 and see my own first steps, no audio, video8 quality, still quite magical.
Perhaps normal for all you iCloud and Google Photos fans, but I never wanted that, for me everything was just in folders on harddrives, have been waiting for Immich my whole life I guess ;)
Immich is great, after doing this project I installed it for our current family photos and it works well, although I keep hitting a bug where older photos are blurred and never load. I need to investigate that.
A reasonable reply indeed from the maintainer, this happens a lot where you think together in an issue and identify whats really wrong near the end. Only then is one able to articulate an issue in a helpful, concise way. Perhaps GH could add a feature to facilitate this pattern.
Ask any knowledgeable person on geo-politcs and they will indeed confirm. Nuance is killed by screaming bots, hugely helped by a huge mass of copying humans. A new breed of "judgers" makes these intelligent persons eventually give up, or end on semi-obscure podcasts... "You're either with us or against us, we cannot overlap interests." "Republicans are wrong on every single thing, we can't even sit a table with them anymore." Etc.
It's also Rose of Leary like [0]. The theory is that being helpful to someone who is (ie) competitive or offensive will force them into other, more cooperative, behaviours (among others).
Once you see this pattern applied by someone it makes a lot of sense. Imho it requires some decoupling, emotional control, sometimes just "acting", but good acting, it must appear (or better yet, be) sincere to the other party.
Interesting site. The proper "Rose" comes (in a variety of forms, I suppose this is close to what I believe is the canonical one) from Leary's 1957 work _Interpersonal Diagnosis of Personality_ and his pioneering work on group psychotherapy / interactions. He used (variants of) this wheel / rose as radar charts, scoring interactions in group situations. The actual wheel has a middle stripe / ring about "provokes", and arguably the behavior becomes pathological when provocation takes place.
As a term of art the "deconflicted", neither dominant / submissive, middle-right is sometimes referred to as the "Dale Carnegie quadrant".
I've been using it for a number of years to diagnose the personality dynamics humans erect around software and tech stacks. I had mused about it, but done nothing, until I came across a SxSW talk about Lacanian analysis of the personalities of various computer languages... just for fun of course.
I can indeed see how this would benefit my marriage.
More serious, "The Truth of Fact, the Truth of Feeling" by Ted Chiang offers an interesting perspective on this "reference everything." Is it the best for Humans? Is never forgetting anything good for us?
Btw, are you sure that is the part David Greene is upset about? The NotebookLLM hosts will vary their voice, and jump into and out of different voices in a glitchy manner sometimes.
Why is everybody so inclined to defend NotebookLLM here? I've heard Chris Fisher and other Jupiter Broadcasting hosts mimicked , but also leo Laporte (from TWIT) for example. It's obvious it is trained on a lot of open podcasting material and clones a voice every now and then.
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