Now the really puzzling question is: How would someone learn about this particular saying without seeing it in writing? Are there actually people still using "hear hear" in everyday speech?
Ironically, I've have an English bachelors degree,and I've never seen it in writing before, till now! Language is active learning. There's no real way to avoiding these pitfalls, besides reading and engaging with others. I'm OK with it aslong as those offering corrections do it kindly.
I've learned German, too. German is 'difficult', not because of its grammar, but because how mistakes are handled. Which is often with harsh commentary, ridicule or confusion. Not sure why that is the case, but English speakers are often kinder when offering corrections!
As a defense I'll say this: I'm arab, grew up mostly on online and speak and write four languages. Their grammars do intertwine, and I can't help it much. my colloquialisms and vernacular are not on paar with that of a native speaker's - my academic work had a higher quality of writing due to proof reading and tight work with a thesaurus.
And it's been a while since I was a student. Cut me some slack :p
And I know I should've written 'i have' instead of 'i've' - in Arabic we say 'ill efforts blacken the face'
To disprove your last point: I'm curious as to how you achieved such a degree while using "till" as shorthand for "until". Are you sure your Bachelor's wasn't in agriculture? ;)
Joking aside, I think it's a consequence of English being a very complicated language with all sorts of borrowing from different language families. There's almost no such thing as "correct" English, and attempts to reason about it in a prescriptive rather than descriptive manner will almost certainly fail. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up for debate, but mistakes happen either way, and I reckon the average English speaker to be a bit more cognizant of that, recognizing that nobody - oneself included - really has a perfect understanding of the English language.
Oh god I remember reading so much about till and until. covers face in shame
I think I even forgot the difference between conjuncts and adjuncts, too. Grammar 1/2/3 were tough courses.
I'm leagues below the level of a native speaker, I'll admit that! But I did still do a ton of reading, which did improve my English, but won't protect against common pitfalls :P it could've been worse. At least I don't make those "your" "you're" mistakes, too often :D
Yes there are. If you tune into House of Commons debates they still shout "Hear, hear" from time to time as a way to indicate their support with what current speaker is saying. So in UK you can still hear this phrase used in a speech, granted not everyday speech.
I hear this quite frequently in day to day speech. e.g. somebody makes a proposition in a meeting and another agrees. Also - have seen this a few times in Whatsapp chats, albeit often misspelled this way (-:
I live in the Bay Area too, and I only know one or two people in the tech industry who have that kind of commute. Many of my coworkers rent their own apartments without roommates.
In the bay area the average for juniors is only 90k, and most people cap out at 120k or so, unless they have top-tier degrees, incredible negotiating skills, or something.
From my experience, I'd say the cap is around $150k in the bay area or so for standard senior positions regardless of degree. The degree is absolutely irrelevant and in many cases if you have an advanced degree, (Masters, PHD) it can work against you (if you don't actually know how to build things).
For reference, with the cost of living being where it is, I'd say anything < $200k in the bay area is not enough to live on and save comfortably, but that's just my opinion. As far as I know, there aren't any startups offering $200k or above (or even close) for engineering jobs in the bay area.
The guy in the article linked an article, whose author (Dan Luu) seems to think that $250k (total compensation) is pretty much a given for anyone with 5 years of experience working for a big company (i.e. Google or Facebook or Microsoft), and claims that anyone who thinks you can't make that much talk to the tens of thousands of engineers that do. Is it really that common?
When I was interviewing in San Francisco and Seattle at big companies (Zynga and Disney) a couple of years ago, they were wanting to pay me around $130k for a senior position, which didn't seem worth the move.
I also interviewed at Google and while I didn't get as far as salary negotiations, I was lead to believe by the recruiter, I think, that it would start around $110k-ish, although it also wasn't for a senior role.
I don't see how Dan Luu is thinking $200k+ salary is on the low end out there. If I could expect to get that I might actually consider moving to the west coast.
$250k is certainly not a given. I think that includes equity compensation like the other post mentions. My experience is that Google and Microsoft pay around $170-200k to start base compensation for a Sr. Engineer so it's generally a little higher than the $150-160k you'd expect at a regular bay area company or the $130k or so you can reasonably expect in Seattle. The higher end of that I'd expect in the bay area and the lower end in Seattle.
"Only" counts for something when you have to pay half of it to live in a reasonable location. That 90k in SF is around 50k in Hampton-Roads VA. That 90k in Oakland is around 60k.
Do people not commute from Oakland? Is the BART ride too long? Or are rents in Oakland just as high? I've only visited the Bay Area a few times, so please feel free to correct me on this one.
I managed to make do with 50K a year, but I lived in San Jose and didn't have the expenses of car ownership.
Living in SJ required a 20 minute walk to CalTrain and then a 45 minute ride to the city by CalTrain (if I caught the express) and then another 15 minute walk to work.
BART from Oakland only goes along Market, which is only walking distance from about half of SOMA (where most of the tech people work). That whole area can be pretty rough, especially after dark. Personally I'd rather walk to 4th & King and commute via Caltrain, but the peninsula is more expensive and Caltrain only has one stop in downtown SF vs 4 for BART (Embarcadero, Montgomery, Powell, Civic Center).
2. To some, yes, because BART is getting crowded so many end up standing in a wall to wall claustrophobic space.
3. They are climbing higher, especially since Uber is moving to there, and they're only the vanguard. It's also been discussed as a cheaper alternative to SF for at least two or three years now.
Are there no places available in the lower end range with 1 hour commutes? I know there is a shortage of low priced apartments, but they have to exist.
The median 2 bedroom apartment in SF is currently about $4600/month. This means that even with a roommate to split the bills with, at a salary of $90k you're looking at spending nearly 50% of your take home just on rent. Add in utilities, food, transportation, etc and $90k pretty rapidly stops looking so great.
You could easily live in a 3-bedroom and pay $1700 a month in rent. You'll only have $3000 a month to pay for food and transportation - oh my god, the privation, how is anyone supposed to make it?
"in SF" in a pretty important qualifier. On top of a 28% federal tax rate you're paying 12% state income tax. San Francisco has a 1.5% income tax as well. So on $90k/yr you're down to about $4500 a month take home but that's excluding any payroll taxes outside of income. Several hundred dollars there. You're already in "spend half my check on rent" territory.
Even though 90k is ~3x the average personal income for the US, when you're living in one of the most expensive cities in the country, you can absolutely be broke on that.
SF does not have an income tax. It does have a 1.5% payroll tax that is paid by employers, but that is already factored into your your gross pay (IOW, if a company offers you 90k the pay the $1,350 in taxes and you never deal with it).
You can argue it effectively pushes down the size of the offers people get, but you don't have to worry about it when you calculate your net take home.
You are right, (marginal) state tax on $90k is "only" 9.3% and that's on about 40% of the income.
My point was that on $90k in SF proper, if you want a "nice" place, even a 1BR or studio you're going to be spending a huge percentage of your income on rent and basic necessities.
Fact: IRC doen't persist chat messages on the server, so to view old messages you need to install a bot that provides you with the last n messages... and you have to manually query the bot for them. No thanks. Have you people heard of this thing called "mobile"? Spotty connections are the new normal. Having the last N messages autoloaded when I view a channel is a necessity.
As a climate change believer, I'm getting worried that a lot of svientists out there are just telling us all what we want to hear. It's incredibly fun to tell people that the world is going to end in 20 tears due to climate change, but if the truth is that it's end in 500 years, then doctoring the facts to make things seem more dire is dangerous.
MicroMasters? Is that like a Bachelor's without calling it a Bachelor's, so people keep paying exorbitant amounts of money to attend physical classes to ultimately get a piece of paper? Ok MIT.
If you read the article, it clearly says that they let you do the first half of the Masters in this degree program online for much cheaper than doing it on campus. Then if you do well enough they give you a certificate for that part, and if you want you can do the second half of the Masters at that point, paying half of the normal amount you would pay for the full Masters degree.
If nothing else, this restricts the set of people who end up paying for that second half to those who have already demonstrated they can handle the work.
It also makes it more likely that their employers will foot the bill. Saying "I did the first half, here are my grades, please send me for the second" is a pretty compelling pitch.
Well duh. If we don't need degrees to create computer programs, then why would someone need a degree for any other job in the world, which just involve pushing buttons on software programs we create?
> Personally, I prefer my doctors ... to have formal qualifications.
Why? So they can charge you more? You know medical school in the US is pass/fail and has a 96% graduation rate? Its completion at that point is practically meaningless.
And all so I have to pay $50 to get a vaccine administered because nobody is allowed to prescribe one without a $250k medical degree.
I don't see an issue with a 96% graduation rate when med schools are incredibly difficult to get in to. Not only that but even within med schools, depending on how well you do you might not get in to specific programs; for example you have to do better to be a surgeon than to be a general physician.
If they didn't have a 96% graduation rate I think we would be screwed because we already do not have enough doctors as it is. And with med schools it's not like you can increase the number of students easily as each student requires a lot of resources due to requiring residency and things like that.
The selection criteria for medical school admission has little to do with skill and more to do with how likable you are in your personal statement and interview.
After someone passes that selection criteria (which again, seems to have little to do with being a competent physician), it doesn't seem like enough of them are being filtered out for being bad at actual medicine.
I went to a good school in mathematics and we only had a 70% graduation rate. The people who dropped out or switched majors had passed the rigorous selection criteria just like the rest of us. I'm suspicious the equivalent cohort in medical school just get pushed through and graduate all the same and become bad doctors.
> And with med schools it's not like you can increase the number of students easily as each student requires a lot of resources due to requiring residency and things like that.
Most who can't hack it fail in first year. I don't think watching lectures and writing exams in first and second years is all that resource-intensive. And even if it were, they'd be paying tuition to cover it all the same.
