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This is Mr. comedy is legal and free speech, and public town square, right?

I understand that he is a vile POS, but I don't understand people supporting him and using his products.


Because they make money of them.

Are you saying scripts from agents are deterministic? :)

Why don't you try to dispove me. Yes, they are _more_ deterministic than tool calls and consume less tokens.

There is nothing to disprove as you don't understand what does a word mean. Deterministic is not a spectrum, they can either be deterministic or not. In both cases, they are not.

Oh, I'm so sorry I touched your paper feelings.

How dared I to imply that some LLM output is more deterministic than the other, your LLM majesty. Shame on me and my entire family! For generations to come!

So sorry I implied that the code that doesn't work and has to be fixed later is deterministic in its execution and can be reused later instead of being re-generated from scratch!

Will I ever wash it off my name, your grace?


That's a weird response. Both form and content.

Anyway you are wrong, the tool calls are deterministic, generating a one-shot script isn't.


Holy moly. How did you arrive to that conclusion? Why do you think openai and anthropic train their models to generate scripts instead of tool calls now? Maybe you work there, or maybe not good enough?

Calling scripts wins long term. Maybe you haven't had a chance to work with agents for months on the same task and observing them getting looped. That is your ignorance talking.

Why am I even discussing it with people who don't understand basic costs of time and money, ffs.


NO, this is referring to more than 750 customers with (large) $100K ARR, not Miro's ARR in total.

BS is slowly but steadily growing their userbase. Knowhing how did it go for their other purchases, of which I was using many (Komoot, Eventbrite, Meetup), not a single one has avoided constant nags of prompting for upgrades and dark patterns, so this will most likely end up in a similar way.

As many share, I used Miro and found it quite nice.


Komoot is particularly bad, I paid for a lifetime license but now they are gating new features behind a subscription. I think it's time to find something else.

I also usually just carry laptop if I need a bigger screen (and usually never use it on trips or holidays), but I do remember fondly of time when I had an iPad mini (not sure which gen), and it was very often in my jacket's pocket and was a really enjoyable device for consuming content, reading stuff, etc.

So when I was watching the keynote, I got those vibes of 'this is actually a form factor that I used in the past, if the price is not too wild I might get it'.


Was the 4-6% figure officially confirmed or just speculation?

I haven't met anyone who is serious about cycling and not using a real bike computer.

Triathletes are more likely than most cyclists to use wrist computers over bike computers.

(Cue joke about triathletes not being serious about cycling.)


Fair enough, but they are not really cycling for 45 hours :)

If anything triathletes are least serious about swimming

If biking around 5000 km yearly is serious enough then I'm one - using only my phone to track. Since I will be taking my phone with me anyway, I don't need another device.

Neither does an LLM model.

Oh indeed, but an LLM model that's reasonably smart could brute force find other training algorithms that are that dangerous. Just as it solves maths problems.

This is the explicit plan of OpenAI and Anthropic.


LLMs can already control robots. Today's LLMs are inept at it, but they can do it.

Things will be bad, unless someone does something to stop it. Will anyone do that? We don't know.

https://xkcd.com/2278/


Wholesome read. These guys are enjoying life and I loved reading the FAQ in the end, as well as them acknowledging they are very lucky!

They are lucky, coming (at least Kenton) from a good family with money and, I surely believe, parents that pushed him in the right direction, helping him to fully develop his natural talents. And you definitely needed raw brain power (which is a natural gift) to join Google in 2005.

It's the dream, isn't it? Make enough money to do something like this. Keep enough friends over the years and moves to have a tribe around you that enable this. Find a partner who also enjoys this.

I'm glad someone is getting to live the dream :)


> Keep enough friends over the years

Honestly this is the best part and even more notable than the awesome house.

LAN parties? Wealth's not really required, it's possible to have those with laptops and a router. High school friends that not only kept in touch but continued to game together for over a decade? That's rare.


Same. I like seeing people who have made great tech houses and seem like nice people.

It's an interesting read and a wonderful experiment, but is this house still operational as a "LAN party" house? Humans in groups can be...exhausting...in very short order.

Like I notice zero food or drink in the pictures, and there's a very good reason for that when you have groups of people. So I guess they eliminated one of the primary friction sources early. Wonder how the bathroom situation is...

It would be interesting to see how this worked out.

The pair behind the house have two children, which I can't even envision combined with this. Yes, someone is going to romanticize how great it is for the kids...but it simply isn't.


For a decade I hosted numerous large parties with food and alcohol. With a good core group and “selective pruning” (mostly of creeps) we never had any problems. My kids were always at my ex’s house though.

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