They literally would have kept the entire thing to themselves and never productized it. Think about how much investment capital and human capital OpenAI poured onto this by having their big "hello world" with ChatGPT.
They literally had a productionized transformer model (translate) which was the inspiration for all of this. The famous paper was written about a productionized ML Model.
They also had a productionized LLM in search (known as 'mums') before the whole "AI Chatbot" craze.
They also had a chat-tuned LLM chatbot (LaMDA) in testing internally. It was shown off over a year before ChatGPT was created (2021)... and later released as an app (AI test kitchen) before ChatGPT was announced.
ChatGPT may have been the big industry moment, but Google was releasing LLMs to production before OpenAI.
How are the Google numbers calculated? I've seen their net income increasing a lot as they've rolled out Gemini. This suggests that Gemini tokens are actually profitable, or at least not extremely unprofitable.
Yet this site suggests that tokens are very unprofitable
The site doesn't suggest anything useful. It's more of a fun meme.
Building a datacenter that will produce hundreds of billions of dollars worth of tokens over a multi-decade life shouldn't surprise anyone that it's in the red in year 1 or 2. There's a lot of front loaded capex in this business. If someone built a tractor factory you wouldnt expect 1 year payback.
But the site sort of implies that these companies are selling tokens for less than it takes to inference them. As if this is some sort of COGS ledger. Especially by throwing Nvidia in there. Don't take it too seriously.
> This suggests that Gemini tokens are actually profitable, or at least not extremely unprofitable.
Out of all the companies, considering their own silicon etc. I wouldn't be surprised. Though I do wonder in terms of total CapEx and R&D where it would be at...
Comparing to ad revenue from a company like meta, the story that Gemini tokens are a strong cash drag on Google just doesn't add up. It seems at worst they are losing like 50 cents/1M tokens (including r&d spend, data centers, etc..), and very possible they are actually profitable per token.
I mean yes they are serving ads off websites they Plagiarized with AI. So if you use ai to serve up content you don’t own as your property then perhaps you can make money. The cost is that they are completely killing the creators
If you actually have time to read all your code, understand it, and are willing to be bottlenecked by human understanding, then yes, you are living in a different world.
In my world, that is far too slow, and you will be seen as a low performer who just can't keep up with the tech.
While this isn't a unique perspective, I think it's wild more people don't understand this. What happened is everyone is being "promoted" to staff+ level engineer and they're realizing the realities of that situation.
The funny part is that these are the same people who are upset that these folks up the food chain "do nothing".
Not my experience, most people are mercenaries, most people make mistakes, most people need their code and architecture reviewed. Obviously working with a person and working with an AI are not identical, but most of the broad responsibilities are the same.
And it's much more like senior IC than it is manager.
I wonder how they must have felt to have coded a 9/11 scenario of Arsenal Gear crashing into the Twin Towers, and then watched it actually happen a few months later.
At least that was cut from the game. I remember that episode from The Lone Gunmen, the X-Files spin-off series, where they stopped the (inside job) hijacking of a commercial airplane from crashing into the twin towers, which aired just a few months before the attack.
I only watched it a few years later, and I had to double check the airing date.
Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone?
Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.
We were robbed of the end to that game. I loved it so much and will always wonder what closure I would have been robbed of if they had just completed it.
> but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers?
MGS always rides the line between "it's actually just tecnology" and "no, it was really supernatural." This is true of Psycho Mantis in MGS1 as well, and The Sorrow in MGS3 is literally a ghost. I assume that Kojima has read up on the Stargate Project and other psychic soldier projects and likes to think about "what if one of those bore fruit?" Anyway, in the context of Fortune, it's a dramatic take on that: her powers were actually a magnetic device planted on her by The Patriots, but ACTUALLY actually she really does have some psychic ability which allows her to fight Ocelot in her final moments.
> And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone?
Well, that's actually pretty straightforward. You fought Solidus Snake, who was the third clone of Big Boss, and the "main antagonist" of the game (scare quotes because arguably the Patriots are the real antagonists). At the end of the game, it is revealed that Raiden's girlfriend Rosemary is a) real, b) alive, c) pregnant and d) being held captive by the Patriots, and they task Raiden with killing Solidus if he ever wants to see her again. Why a sword fight? I dunno, some things we must simply chalk up to "because it's cool."
If you want to dive further into who Solidus was, yes, he was also a pseudo-father to Raiden, in the sense that Raiden was raised as a child soldier and Solidus was (at the time) his commander. Solidus was President during the events of MGS1 under the name George Sears, but by MGS2 he's leading the Sons of Liberty as part of his anti-Patriots plot. Unfortunately, Ocelot is still working as a Patriots double-agent at this point, and Raiden's involvement is in turn orchestrated by the Patriots, so it doesn't quite work and the whole operation is manipulated from the start.
Yep, it's funny when people get too serious and completely ignore the rule of cool.
Like you have a giant bipedal (well... most of the times) autonomous robot armed with a nuclear tipped missiles launched by a railgun which can destory the whole countries ... and the said robot is defeated by shoot-out against a human.
>Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.
apply this logic to john carpenter movies and they fall apart, too.
Escape from LA is just about as absurd, just less paranormal.
Nuclear powered personal submarines, surfing typhoon waves from California plate shifts, transforming bullet-proof stealth helicopters, emp superweapons and engineered DNA-tailored superbugs ( or atleast the claim of them ) , VR replacing reality, Cuba taking over the democratic world after a theocratic US rescension.
it's just entertainment campiness. When I play a Kojima game I just sort of imagine it internally as a video game equivalent to a John Carpenter movie.
To be clear, I enjoy the games, I've played through MGS2 all the way through twice. It's a good game.
I even enjoy the story, but I view the story as something like a soap opera; a story that is extremely compelling and addictive as you're watching it, but upon turning it off you find yourself questioning what it is you just watched.
A lot of people focus on the whole dynamic of corleone family and their position in American society in the Godfather. But seriously did you see what vito was eating in the restaurant?? Makes no sense
Kojima always has some paranormal activity in his games. And he does like to subvert expectations about what is technology and what is paranormal
That stuff is just silly mostly-self-aware camp to keep the setting entertaining, don't overthink it. Everybody already knows and acknowledges that the series is absurd.
Are these meta engineers that were let go? The one thing you learn more than anything else as a Meta engineer is how to sell your work and how amazing it is
Idk, do you think it's sensitive for the employer to train an AI with it and then put that AI on Instagram for everyone to use and ask for employee SSNs?
Even in small groups, being respected and considered valuable is important? I'm not sure what you mean here.
I take your point, and I too get triggered when people invoke mate selection and dopamine. I could be with you in being skeptical about that specific angle... but absolutely if you look at lawless or less institutionalized cultures, there is a trend towards appearing strong/tough and hiding any weaknesses
Okay, average person uses a special key picked up from the DMV one time that allows them to login to vote.com and cast their vote. This is a totally normal experience and understandable by anyone who has done online banking.
It doesn't provide anonymity, which is a critical requirement for any (public) election system. It also doesn't provide security, as someone who can control the servers behind vote.com, can change anyone's vote.
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