They need to do that because, in some sense, they're competing with Gaming PCs, not really with Gaming consoles. Gaming consoles sell their consoles at a discounted price because they can recoup a lot of it when selling games. Steam can't have a markup on games because they share their marketplace with other PCs.
Sony have admitted to selling the PS5 at a loss during the first 8 months of sales. Even when they announced the $499 disc drive SKU was no longer selling at a loss, they admitted the $399 SKU still cost more to make than it sold for. Things are no doubt different today, but Sony absolutely subsidized the PS5 at launch.
But if they subsidize the hardware, non game users will purchase the hardware and use it for non game use-cases, where valve cannot recoupe the costs.
A interesting scenario would be to sell the hardware at cost, but include a 30% off ticket to the steam store (up to a few hundred dollars, in savings).
Instead they made the right choice and subsidise the software. Valve has been sending patches for Linux for over the last 10 years as well as giving SteamOS out for free for other hardware now.
If you don't want to play games, why would you buy a steam machine? Even with a subsidized price, you could get a mini PC with no GPU for half that or less.
If Valve subsidizes PC by $200 why would people not buy for office, art, video editing? And gaming is not only Steam, there is also GOG, EGS, Microsoft Store.
> If Valve subsidizes PC by $200 why would people not buy for office, art, video editing?
I already said why, but you ignored my second sentence out of two sentences...?
Let's say Valve subidizes it down to $800. But you can get a good office/art PC for $300, and a steam machine isn't particularly good for video editing. So why would you pay $800 and pick the steam machine if you're not gaming?
> And gaming is not only Steam, there is also GOG, EGS, Microsoft Store.
Why are you bringing up a whole different argument now? Yeah Steam won't get their cut for all games. But they'd get their cut for most games. If they have 75% market share then reduce the subsidy they could reasonably apply by 25%. Well, less than 25% because most people are leaving Steam OS on there and are even more likely to buy on Steam.
We have entire handheld lines for console emulators. More performant GPUs useful for Dolphin, PPSSPP, RPCS3, Ryujinx. GPU used for 3D modelling and sculpting, video editing, encoding. Steam machine subsidized by $200 PC would be used for anything but Steam, payed by Steam users.
You've ignored "art, video editing" and you claim that your point ignored? Why do you type words at all if issue is their consumption?
> We have entire handheld lines for console emulators. More performant GPUs useful for Dolphin, PPSSPP, RPCS3, Ryujinx.
Those people are gamers! If they want the steam machine it supports the argument I actually made before you brought up something entirely different (most of them buy steam games too btw).
> GPU used for 3D modelling and sculpting, video editing, encoding. Steam machine subsidized by $200 PC would be used for anything but Steam, payed by Steam users.
It's not a particularly good GPU. I don't think you'd get a lot of those users.
> You've ignored "art, video editing" and you claim that your point ignored? Why do you type words at all if issue is their consumption?
What are you talking about? I addressed both of those.
Use ctrl+F if you need to.
You've gone beyond skipping what I said to gaslighting me about it.
Entity asks question, unable to comprehend answer, claim any gaming leads to Valve revenue, discards video editing and art examples. Please stop wasting bytes.
Steam take 30% of the purchases made via the Steam Store.
If you sell a game on Steam, you can redeem as many Steam Keys for your game as you wish.
Those keys are sold at 100% profit to you, Steam dont take any.
You could still offer this, similar to the ad tier and ad free tier of a kindle, or a carrier locked phone.
$799 for a locked down version, $1049 for an unlocked version. Opportunity to pay $300 to unlock it later at any time. 5% discount on purchases on a locked device.
Fun fact about the kindle ad thing: I don’t know if they still do this but when I got mine, you could just write to the support and let them know you found the ads inappropriate (extra points for mentioning a child in the household) and they would just remove the ads for free.
I would assume it also has to do with if not fundamentally manifesting from Steam being an organisation of technologists. They don't want to put out a project which has a worse operating system than their workstations.
JWTs are secure in the sense that they are tamper-proof. And that's all you need for a session token (plus the revocation list). There's nothing inherently insecure about JWTs.
This entire list is Slack alternatives, not Discord alternatives. Discord is first-and-foremost a gaming voice chat platform. Teamspeak is the OG in that space and should've been the top of this list.
> And every second I spend trying to do fun free things for the community like this is a second I'm not spending trying to turn the business around and make sure the people who are still here are getting their paychecks every month.
Then step aside as the maintainer of the project then and better yet, make something like Tailwind-foundation etc. which is truly open source. Go spend your time building your business, but you can't become the bottleneck and not do anything for something that has become so foundational for Web Dev.
I urge you to understand what he is going through, he started the project, made it available freely, as more effort was required he added a premium offering to keep the whole thing running and hire more help.
Please pause to think before coming to a rush judgement. How would you react if you had done exactly the things he had done, and you just had to lay off most of your team yesterday. We are humans and not robots, for all he has done, he has certainly earned the right to some times focus on what's affecting him first before he can focus on OSS.
Be Kind, we are all born billionaires with billions of "kindness tokens" in the bank, don't use them sparingly.
He gives a gift to the world and you’re telling him to just give it up because somebody did work nobody asked for and he doesn’t want it for his project
What's the fundamental limitation to context size here? Why can't a model be fine-tuned per codebase, taking the entire code into context (and be continuously trained as it's updated)?
Forgive my naivety, I don't now anything about LLMs.
I feel like single-line conditionals are harder to read in bigger projects. I remove the brackets in single-statement conditionals and loops, but I still use another line.
It just needs one tired / inexperienced / somethingelse coder to "quickly add" an extra call to the topmost if and then you'll have interesting issues.
I'll take the "ugly" braces every day compared to having risky structures like that in the code at all.
> Google having so many private photos in Google Photos must be a goldmine for them.
While true, it's META who has won that arm's race long ago in my view; hell, they just disclosed that they have private access to DMs to Netflixh [0] in a lawsuit.
If you don;t think they are training their own models on this data over all their platforms you have to be a complete idiot o: Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp.
That is a much larger treasure trove given the sheer scale of people on those platforms, Google is limited to mainly Android users and those who use it's suite on PC (relatively small compared to social media users), which excludes most Mac users.
The thing they don't tell you about this dark underbelly of AI is just like the (meta)data that is for sale to 3rd parties, it's tiered price structure wherein Mac users are often the premium tier de to their more 'affluent' status and likelihood of impulsive in app purchases.
This is why I think META already won the AI race, they opensource Llama and have the a massive treasure trove of data to refine and train when they see what the OSS community creates that is of actual value: ChatGPT/DALL-e runs at a loss for MS/OpenAI. But if anyone can monetize this gold rush it will be META.
And perhaps more critically from an infrastructure POV, Llamma now runs better on CPU [1] rather than GPU, which means they won't have to be constrained or price pinched on GPUs like Microsoft, Google, Amazon likely will due to demand constraints from Nvidia (see ETH mining craze during COVID). They can focus on optimizing their data centers with more free cash flow which meant they can have a bigger footprint for when they finally figure out how to properly monetize this AI bubble, because it is is a bubble, from now until then.
I think Zuck learned from Libra that staying out of the limelight during a bubble is critical if he wants to undo the Metaverse money-pit/losses.
Seems about right to me, Android dominates the mobile World by sheer numbers.
But what is the value that they can derive from user data? A million Bangladeshi's texts from food delivery is probably a lot less valuable than say a Singaporean using Numbers on Mac OS to layout the next lucrative investment and the data they;d get from the correspondence of say 100 high net worth individuals hidden behind iOS (Pegasus MITM attack notwithstanding).
Again, the name of the game is to derive signal from noise from data, bulk collection is primitive when training models and often incredibly difficult to work around once it is in. I seriously think Gemini had this problem, along with QA/QC issues, rather it going from so-so Bard to total 'woke' Gemini. I may be wrong, but I think this is what happens when you go down the bulk collection and unfiltered/un-curated data route.
> What, are the pictures and videos of people from the global south somehow not good enough to train AI due to their economic situation?
I don't make the rules, in fact if you are seriously wondering what use 'darker' people's data have had with AI training look no further than the surveillance based platforms that are responsible for tons of false incarcerations of mainly black US citizens [0].
I'm not sure if it's going to change for the plight of the 'Global South's' data either. It's not that I think it's inherently prejudiced, either; it's more like it's optimized to be greedy in order to extract as much value as it possibly can from the current system at all costs.
People need to stop smoking hopium and thinking that this is going to usher some sort of egalitarian renaissance, this is business as usual by the mega corps that bring you this tech.
Whatsapp chats are encrypted, how can they be used to train the models? Also what kind of training can be done on Instagram data, is there anything of value there?
While they claim E2E encryption, I seriously doubt they would offer this service entirely for free with having some backdoor or potential MITM breach that they likely tucked away in the ToS given the wide use of it it most of the World who pay for SMS/text messages: it just seems so incredibly unlikely to be entirely encrypted from a company that willing gave DMs to Netflix, used Cambridge Analytica etc... But even if it is encrypted, the meta data generated can tell you a lot too--as was the case with Pokemon GO--that may not directly benefit LLMs, but could help with creating dark patterns that make your AI companion (under the guise of an LLM) the 'must own' when deciding who to buy tokens/compute from.
Speculative for sure, but just look at the Twitter file leaks revealing how social media platforms willing work alongside intelligence agencies.
> While they claim E2E encryption, I seriously doubt they would offer this service entirely for free with having some backdoor or potential MITM breach that they likely tucked away in the ToS given the wide use of it it most of the World who pay for SMS/text messages: it just seems so incredibly unlikely
You don't have to trust Metas self-regulation, but you best believe the EU does not fuck around on such issues. Self-preservation is a hell of a motivator.
> Also what kind of training can be done on Instagram data, is there anything of value there?
Billions of comments and private messages; billions of data points on user behavior and (more importantly) how they respond to manipulative UI/UX/content... Nothing useful there??
I'm genuinely curious how does that data help. What would the prompts be like? "Help me design an addictive UX"? How do comments like birthday wishes or people posting their beach pictures and people replying with how good they look add any kind of value to the ML model training? Those conversations would be in larger quantity than any that discuss anything meaningful.
