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1.Predator Object Tracking Algorithm (gottabemobile.com)
460 points by helwr on April 3, 2011 | 76 comments
2.Zed's new project: Vulnerability Arbitration (vulnarb.com)
238 points by acangiano on April 3, 2011 | 90 comments
3.Formatting your web content to be a pleasure to read (informationarchitects.jp)
200 points by bergie on April 3, 2011 | 54 comments
4.Nuclear Power is Safest Way to Make Electricity (washingtonpost.com)
167 points by lukeqsee on April 3, 2011 | 248 comments
5.Clever algorithms in Ruby (cleveralgorithms.com)
146 points by helwr on April 3, 2011 | 7 comments
6.On Bushido, launch apps from github repos (jacquesmattheij.com)
135 points by jerome_etienne on April 3, 2011 | 43 comments
7.Alan Turing Documentary (adafruit.com)
128 points by shawndumas on April 3, 2011 | 26 comments

A hard ban on politics and current events, instead of the wiggly one we have in the site guidelines now.
9.Withdrawing from Hacker News (solipsys.co.uk)
123 points by RiderOfGiraffes on April 3, 2011 | 103 comments
10.More screen is better for productivity, studies show (skeptics.stackexchange.com)
116 points by sklivvz1971 on April 3, 2011 | 55 comments
11.Maloder: OSX binary loader for Linux. (github.com/shinh)
106 points by naner on April 3, 2011 | 27 comments

I used to be a big contributor to this site, but for the last months I've found that my interest in the site has waned.

I've thought a lot about why, since I used to really enjoy HN - now it's just one of a few newssites I visit every day. It's hard to quantify but here are my reasons and my take at the decline:

1) The obvious one: Signal to noise ratio in the comments is way down. The problem is twofold - there are both more bad comments, and the ones that are good aren't necessarily voted to the top. This makes it harder for me to find the nuggets that would be shown at the top of every comments page a year or two ago. As others have pointed out it sound easy but is in fact a very hard problem to solve.

2) The interaction in the comments is less interesting. I used to have great arguments in the comments. Sometimes I would convince someone of my point of view sometimes it was the other way around, sometimes there just wasn't agreement to be found. But it was always interesting and civil, and I very often learned something new. Engaging in, and watching others have interesting discussions was for me one of the main things I loved about HN. It's like when you go to a dinner party and get to sit next to this incredily interesting guy that is exceptionally insightful and has some really interesting things to say. The conversation leaves a mark on you.

3) I often find that the comments I make that I personally find insightful or interesting don't get a lot of upvotes, while the ones that state something obvious or funny get more upvotes. This isn't encouraging me to interact with people here on an intellectually interesting level. If others do this as well, which I suspect they will, then it's extremely degrading to the discourse in the comments. I often find that I don't bother to write up a response to something because I know won't get a lot of attention. Sometimes my points are totally missed.

4) Maybe I've outgrown the site. Many concepts that were new to me when I joined HN are now familiar, and many discussions have already been had. RiderofGiraffes describes it well in the linked comment.

I owe a lot to HN, and I really want it to succeed, so I stick around and hope that things will change. But for now it's from a less engaged position.

13.Natty Narwhal with Unity: Worst Ubuntu beta ever (theregister.co.uk)
98 points by _grrr on April 3, 2011 | 91 comments
14.My experience with the computer language shootout (alexgaynor.net)
95 points by kingkilr on April 3, 2011 | 59 comments
15.ARPANET dialogues - fictional chat logs (arpanetdialogues.net)
87 points by rl1987 on April 3, 2011 | 23 comments
16.Is McAfee's siteadvisor.com a scam? (reddit.com)
85 points by naner on April 3, 2011 | 30 comments

The spike probably had a lot to do with the release of Tron: Legacy on December 17 who had a character named Quorra which could easily be misspelled as Quora. The trend for Quorra largely follows this spike as seen at http://www.google.com/trends?q=quorra&ctab=0&geo=all...

Nothing happend to Quora.com.

18.Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1% (vanityfair.com)
86 points by rosser on April 3, 2011 | 79 comments

Look at http://gamedev.net - they've grown their community from a few active users to more than a hundred thousand and the quality only increased. They had to go through a period of significantly decreased quality as the community grew, and faced all the same problems as HN. I believe a combination of the following changes would fix things: (from most to least important):

- Upvotes need to be weighed by karma, and karma of exemplary members of the community needs to be seeded by you (and other exemplary members). This way cliques of mean/non-insightful users can upvote each other to their heart's content without making any appreciable difference in their karma value.

- The above would fix the quality of articles on the front page, not just the quality of comments. Our most successful blog post to date was "will the real programmers please stand up" (http://www.rethinkdb.com/blog/2010/06/will-the-real-programm...) which is at best a provocative rant. The actual technically insightful content isn't nearly as successful. TechCrunch mastered the art of linkbait headlines. Weighed upvotes will solve this problem.

- Anonymity breeds animosity. If I don't know someone it's much easier for me to say mean, dumb things (see: YouTube). The solution is somewhat controversial, but I strongly believe the downsides of threaded discussions strongly outweigh the upsides (ability to carry on multiple discussions at a time). Removing the ability to have threads will force people to pay attention to who they're talking to and have a coherent discussions instead of snarky oneliners.

- Moderators need to be able to lock down threads that are getting out of control.

- When the article is off the front page, the discussion quickly dies off with it. There needs to be a "hot discussions" tab that allows people to continue the conversations. This encourages people to get to know each other and participate in a coherent discussion that spans beyond 24 hours.

20.Clojure is almost as big as Common Lisp (arcanesentiment.blogspot.com)
79 points by blasdel on April 3, 2011 | 8 comments

I just got back from a two-month (well, 85000 minute) noprocrast-enforced HN break, and while I've been browsing the front page for the last few days I haven't felt motivated to comment on anything. I think there's been a drop in the quality of stories as well as comments.

Now, maybe it's just me, but I used to like the science-type stories, or other stories that taught me something interesting and novel from some branch of human knowledge. But I just checked the first 90 stories and there's nothing matching that description. Instead there seem to be an awful lot of "gossip" and "personality" type stories. Tesla vs Top Gear! Tech CEO shoots elephant! Trollish "What I hate about facebook" stories! The interminable "Is it a bubble?" discussion!

On the other hand, it might just be my opinion... obviously somebody is interested in the current front-page stories or else they wouldn't have been voted up. Do other folks think that the interestingness of the stories has declined?

22.CSS3 3D Slideshow Framework [Chromium 12 or Safari] (hakim.se)
77 points by tzury on April 3, 2011 | 12 comments

Cap the score that is displayed with a comment e.g., past 10 points, just display "10+". Don't display karma and average scores of users, again, past a certain point: this prevents (subconscious) game incentives which lead to e.g., posting comments that say something stupid or mean but which tend to agree with general tendencies of the site.

For example, I can post a comment decrying Blub with a snide remark (e.g., "You wrote a 1,000 line Blub program? Was it 500 getters and 500 setters?" in a thread discussing software projects) that is both information free and mean (perhaps Blub wasn't the author's preferred choice, but chosen for him or required in order to build an application for the iBlubber). People on this site generally dislike Blub, so the comment will get upvotes without adding any value to the discussion (an example of adding value would be saying you were able to do this in 100 lines of Flub using its cool new hygienic macros with a link to a paper on hygienic macros in Flub).

That's not to say all comment score data should be gone. Comment scores can still be kept and comments could be displayed on stories in the other in which they're displayed now (a mix of comment score and how recently it was posted). Generally, what I've found is that comments showing up _first_ tend to be of higher quality i.e., overall algorithm works more often than not.

[NB: I work at LinkedIn and we do this for connection counts-- we want users to network with each other, but we don't want to make it a "who has the most connections" game, that's why when you have over 500 connections (which is perfectly legitimate and allowed), only "500+" is displayed as the count on your profile]

24.Microsoft, the end of evolution? (geekculture.com)
71 points by UniIsland on April 3, 2011 | 16 comments

There is no scarcity with upvotes. If I have an infinite amount of money to spend, I will spend it without prudence.

Cap the number of upvotes that a user gets each day and give explicit feedback on how many upvotes that they have left.

26.Immutability and Blocks, Lambdas and Closures (algorithm.com.au)
67 points by hanifvirani on April 3, 2011 | 16 comments
27.Windows 8 Welcome Screen And Windows Explorer Screenshots Leaked (digitizor.com)
68 points by dkd903 on April 3, 2011 | 90 comments

You've drank milk and eaten meat contaminated by poisonous chemicals from coal power plants for your whole life. Not a single person has died yet from the Fukushima disaster, yet millions of people have died from ailments caused by coal power plants. Why is that kind of contamination just fine?

I find it incredibly offensive to see the Americans on this board downplaying the damage from Fukushima.

Perhaps we should first stop downplaying the damage from every single coal power plant in the world, particularly those in China and other developing nations with minimal pollution controls, where there are millions of people suffering from pollution-related illnesses?


It lacks in analysis because it's an opinion piece for a general audience, hence the use of anecdotes. Its not an academic article. No offense, but your articles often use anecdotes to make a point.

For example, you write: "As anyone who has worked for the government knows, the important thing is not to make the right choices, but to make choices that can be justified later if they fail."

What evidence do you have of this? What about agencies like DARPA? Your statement could also apply to employees of large corporations.

You are doing the same thing that Joe Stigliz did in the article (without his academic ethos)

30.Facebook Comments Epitomizes Everything I Hate About Facebook (techcrunch.com)
63 points by diego on April 3, 2011 | 41 comments

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